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    Re: Role of government in Education

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    It in essence makes the cost of all private schools the same ($0 that the parents have to pay), even if their value is not the same. That is bound to have some negative consequences on free market education.
    but who said that it must be done that way ?

    we could give every student an equal sum of money. we could give them "rollover minutes" so the money they save this year could go towards next year. we could let them take out loans if they need a little extra.

    and parents should be encouraged to contribute out of pocket for an upscale education.

    you could even have a basic free and a paid "deluxe" program in the same physical school building. for example a free program might have classes of 30 while a paid program might have classes of 15.

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    Re: Role of government in Education

    Quote Originally Posted by NEUROSPORT View Post
    but who said that it must be done that way ?

    we could give every student an equal sum of money. we could give them "rollover minutes" so the money they save this year could go towards next year. we could let them take out loans if they need a little extra.

    and parents should be encouraged to contribute out of pocket for an upscale education.

    you could even have a basic free and a paid "deluxe" program in the same physical school building. for example a free program might have classes of 30 while a paid program might have classes of 15.
    This is all very complicated and basically just amounts to education paid for by the government. Isn't that all public education really is?

    More importantly, why should people have to pay for this "deluxe" when public schools are perfectly capable of creating such a thing on their own, for free?

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    Re: Role of government in Education

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    This is all very complicated and basically just amounts to education paid for by the government. Isn't that all public education really is?
    i WISH that's what it was.

    there is no education in public education. only mind control.

    people are perfectly capable of educating themselves. the point of public "education" is to prevent them from being able to do that by taking away their time and money.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    More importantly, why should people have to pay for this "deluxe" when public schools are perfectly capable of creating such a thing on their own, for free?
    first of all the government is not free. do you know how many zeros there are in a Trillion ? secondly the government is not perfectly capable of anything other than bombing children with napalm.

    if the government is so capable then why do presidents go to private universities themselves ?
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    Re: Role of government in Education

    Quote Originally Posted by NEUROSPORT View Post
    i WISH that's what it was.

    there is no education in public education. only mind control.

    people are perfectly capable of educating themselves. the point of public "education" is to prevent them from being able to do that by taking away their time and money.
    While I don't disagree with what is underlined, I think you need to choose your words carefully to make your case.

    When people hear "mind control", in an argument, their first response is whack job.
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    Re: Role of government in Education

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    I did not realize that the constitution was supposed to dictate any and all government expenditures for the entire future of our nation, especially ones that are integral for its own well being.
    Then, I must assume that you are not particularly Constitution-literate.

    The 10th Amendment says, " The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

    That makes the Constitution an exclusionary document. That is, if it is not explicitly delineated as a federal function in the Constitution, it is expressly forbidden to the federal government. This position has been the underpinning of most states vs. federal discussions of the Supreme Court. Providing education isn't addressed in the Constitution.

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    Re: Role of government in Education

    Quote Originally Posted by NEUROSPORT View Post
    i WISH that's what it was.

    there is no education in public education. only mind control.

    people are perfectly capable of educating themselves. the point of public "education" is to prevent them from being able to do that by taking away their time and money.



    first of all the government is not free. do you know how many zeros there are in a Trillion ? secondly the government is not perfectly capable of anything other than bombing children with napalm.

    if the government is so capable then why do presidents go to private universities themselves ?
    The government is not inside the classroom in public schools.

    The teachers teach the kids, and the government pays the teachers. If any agenda is pushed onto the kids, it is the teachers' agenda alone.

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    Re: Role of government in Education

    Quote Originally Posted by NEUROSPORT View Post
    PLEASE NOTE THIS IS A PUBLIC POLL

    option 1:

    government is all knowing, it is always right, it never lies, it has no hidden agendas, sociopaths have no interest in running for office. we are nothing but sinners, we know nothing, our government wouldn't just murder us if we asked it to go away. we must all hand the minds of our children over to the government and let the government form their world view. it worked for Hitler, Stalin and Mao so it can't be wrong.

    option 2:

    an average adult is either not willing or not able to provide his children with the best possible education. the government should use its massive resources to ASSIST in educating children. this assistance should come in the form of vouchers and the government should be prohibited from running any schools of its own. allowing the government to run its own schools is allowing the state to control the minds of young people and since everybody was once young to effectively control the minds of all of its subjects.

    option 3:

    education is a good, it is not a right. the government has no responsibility to provide or assist anybody with education. strip dancing is a good way for a young woman to pay for college. we don't need every retard to study astrophysics. somebody has to clean the toilets. let the market sort the suckers out.

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    by the way option 1 is what we have today. option 3 is what Ron Paul wants. option 2 is what i want.
    Are those 3 options the only one on offer?

    I don't think the Government is all seeing but i do think they have the responsibility to educate the society for the betterment of a country. A educated country is much much better than a few educated who can afford it and the rest dumb as rocks.

    The Government does not control the curriculum taught to children but a independent body but the Government can make suggestions (e.g. teach world war 2 in year 9 rather than 8 etc.)

    I'd rather have a mixture of one and two. Vouchers or scholarships for those students exceptionally bright enough and send them to Eton or other top class private schools

    And a teachers union keeps the Government in check to stop them "brainwashing" people. Teachers afterall individually can influence students much more than any Government ever could


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    Re: Role of government in Education

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    There are lots of things that parents should do but some(many) don't. If we don't spend the tax dollars on education they we will spend tax dollars supporting the uneducated in prison or on welfare.
    Same old lame liberal-extortionist arguments.

    No, we're not obligated to pay their education, nor are we obligated to pay for their welfare.

    If they want to rot in prison, we can accomodate that, but we should use that Sheriff Joe from Arizona to run them.

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    Re: Role of government in Education

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Same old lame liberal-extortionist arguments.

    No, we're not obligated to pay their education, nor are we obligated to pay for their welfare.

    If they want to rot in prison, we can accomodate that, but we should use that Sheriff Joe from Arizona to run them.
    You don't want an educated public? That's how socialists get in office you know...

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    Re: Role of government in Education

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    You don't want an educated public? That's how socialists get in office you know...
    With a publicly funded socialist education system, I know.

    Before the federal government got into the indoctrination game, the people were jealous of their freedoms and protective of them.

    Public education made them forget Franklin's Dictum: "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

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