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    Re: Role of government in Education

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    this thread is about education, not Reptilians.

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    Re: Role of government in Education

    Quote Originally Posted by NEUROSPORT View Post
    you are welcome to make a thread about Icke and trash him there all you want. this thread is about education, not Reptilians.
    If you don't want to discuss Icke, perhaps you should leave him out of your threads. I sure wouldn't have thought to include him in this thread on my own.
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    Re: Role of government in Education

    Quote Originally Posted by NEUROSPORT View Post
    PLEASE NOTE THIS IS A PUBLIC POLL

    option 1:

    government is all knowing, it is always right, it never lies, it has no hidden agendas, sociopaths have no interest in running for office. we are nothing but sinners, we know nothing, our government wouldn't just murder us if we asked it to go away. we must all hand the minds of our children over to the government and let the government form their world view. it worked for Hitler, Stalin and Mao so it can't be wrong.

    option 2:

    an average adult is either not willing or not able to provide his children with the best possible education. the government should use its massive resources to ASSIST in educating children. this assistance should come in the form of vouchers and the government should be prohibited from running any schools of its own. allowing the government to run its own schools is allowing the state to control the minds of young people and since everybody was once young to effectively control the minds of all of its subjects.

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    education is a good, it is not a right. the government has no responsibility to provide or assist anybody with education. strip dancing is a good way for a young woman to pay for college. we don't need every retard to study astrophysics. somebody has to clean the toilets. let the market sort the suckers out.

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    by the way option 1 is what we have today. option 3 is what Ron Paul wants. option 2 is what i want.


    ummmmm..... I go with option 4. Allow the states to run the education system(which they already do for the most part), and keep the federal government out of it.

    The problem with federal involvement is that the federal government tends to give money with stipulations. The stipulations are usually political ploys meant to look good to the electorate, but they usually achieve very little. When the federal funding is accepted, those stipulations are enforced on schools. When they are shown to be failures they are not rescinded.

    So what we should do is continue the public education system, and keep it at the state level. Eliminate the small amount of federal involvement.
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    Re: Role of government in Education

    I think it's up the parents to instill basic knowledge to their kids, and up to the schools to uphold quality, unbiased education. The government should still provide civil education about the responsiblities and rights of citizens of x country.

    Then again, I also think education needs to be reformed from this autocratic system to something more liberal, where students from a very young age can choose what to study.

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    Re: Role of government in Education

    Quote Originally Posted by George VI View Post
    Then again, I also think education needs to be reformed from this autocratic system to something more liberal, where students from a very young age can choose what to study.
    Wouldn't the kids usually choose to study TV and sugary snacks?

    I have learned over a long time that kids need iron discipline. I needed it, and didn't really get it.

    Every child, with the possible exception of one who grew up and died in Judea long ago, is born a savage. His parents and other adults have just a few short years to mold him into something reasonably civilized.

    Failure almost certainly guarantees a probably short lifetime of misery and destruction.

    Childhood should be seen as an unsatisfactory condition which can be overcome with great effort, and patience (on the part of the child.)

    Freedom is a misunderstood concept. In its purest form it's just chaos.

    Much more useful is the concept of Liberty, which connotes an attached responsibility and an acknowledgment of limitations.
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    Re: Role of government in Education

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    Wouldn't the kids usually choose to study TV and sugary snacks?
    maybe. do you understand the concept called FREEDOM ? ? ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    I have learned over a long time that kids need iron discipline.
    what if somebody *learns* that you need to have your testicles removed ?


    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    Failure almost certainly guarantees a probably short lifetime of misery and destruction.
    you mean a lifetime or partying and sex ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    Childhood should be seen as an unsatisfactory condition which can be overcome with great effort, and patience (on the part of the child.)
    seek professional help ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    Freedom is a misunderstood concept. In its purest form it's just chaos.

    Much more useful is the concept of Liberty, which connotes an attached responsibility and an acknowledgment of limitations.
    you don't learn these limitations in school. you learn them in life. in school you learn limitations that don't exist.

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    Re: Role of government in Education

    Quote Originally Posted by NEUROSPORT View Post
    PLEASE NOTE THIS IS A PUBLIC POLL

    option 1:

    government is all knowing, it is always right, it never lies, it has no hidden agendas, sociopaths have no interest in running for office. we are nothing but sinners, we know nothing, our government wouldn't just murder us if we asked it to go away. we must all hand the minds of our children over to the government and let the government form their world view. it worked for Hitler, Stalin and Mao so it can't be wrong.

    option 2:

    an average adult is either not willing or not able to provide his children with the best possible education. the government should use its massive resources to ASSIST in educating children. this assistance should come in the form of vouchers and the government should be prohibited from running any schools of its own. allowing the government to run its own schools is allowing the state to control the minds of young people and since everybody was once young to effectively control the minds of all of its subjects.

    option 3:

    education is a good, it is not a right. the government has no responsibility to provide or assist anybody with education. strip dancing is a good way for a young woman to pay for college. we don't need every retard to study astrophysics. somebody has to clean the toilets. let the market sort the suckers out.

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    by the way option 1 is what we have today. option 3 is what Ron Paul wants. option 2 is what i want.
    This poll certainly is not flawed in any way, shape or form.
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    Re: Role of government in Education

    Quote Originally Posted by NEUROSPORT View Post
    PLEASE NOTE THIS IS A PUBLIC POLL

    option 1:

    government is all knowing, it is always right, it never lies, it has no hidden agendas, sociopaths have no interest in running for office. we are nothing but sinners, we know nothing, our government wouldn't just murder us if we asked it to go away. we must all hand the minds of our children over to the government and let the government form their world view. it worked for Hitler, Stalin and Mao so it can't be wrong.

    option 2:

    an average adult is either not willing or not able to provide his children with the best possible education. the government should use its massive resources to ASSIST in educating children. this assistance should come in the form of vouchers and the government should be prohibited from running any schools of its own. allowing the government to run its own schools is allowing the state to control the minds of young people and since everybody was once young to effectively control the minds of all of its subjects.

    option 3:

    education is a good, it is not a right. the government has no responsibility to provide or assist anybody with education. strip dancing is a good way for a young woman to pay for college. we don't need every retard to study astrophysics. somebody has to clean the toilets. let the market sort the suckers out.

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    by the way option 1 is what we have today. option 3 is what Ron Paul wants. option 2 is what i want.

    I don't like your options, so no answer.
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    Re: Role of government in Education

    Quality public education is the only means of creating a free and just society.
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    Re: Role of government in Education

    Quote Originally Posted by faminedynasty View Post
    Quality public education is the only means of creating a free and just society.
    I agree with that statement. The rub is on how to go about achieving it.

    First, it is none of the Federal government's business. If they the Feds, play any role it ought to give loans and/or grants to students to spend where that student feels it is in that student's best interest. Sort of like the old National Defense Student Loan Program.

    Education is best when control is kept at the lowest level possible and where there is freedom of choice offered to the students and especially the parents.

    The excellence of a school is NOT measured in its football record or the number of computers in the classrooms. It is measured by the ability of the students to gain knowledge in the basics and the ability to think/reason for themselves.

    In my world the parents would have choice of any public school they wanted. I don't like the ideas of mandatory school districts.

    The vast majority of the people's money taken in the form of taxes would go to hiring the best teachers at the best wage we could give them.....screw the school buildings. Then I would hold them responsible for results....not effort.

    Those are just a few simple jumping off few ideas in my world of education.
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