aquapub
DP Veteran
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- America (A.K.A., a red state)
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The problem is, they want health care to magically get better but they're not willing to attack the actual problems inherent in the system that have caused it to be as bad as it is to begin with. Given the ridiculous litigious nature of ambulance-chasing lawyers who sue because they know most doctors can't spare the time to sit in a courtroom, which causes malpractice insurance to skyrocket and raise everyone's cost, given the fact that government and insurance companies only pay about 10-20% of the actual cost of procedures, thereby forcing hospitals to charge $2000 for $200 procedures to make their money back, it's no wonder we have problems, but nothing Obama's plan does addresses either of these. He just hopes that magically everything will get better instead of recognizing that to fix the problems, the fundamental nature of the health care industry needs to change and that'll piss off pretty much everyone, especially the people who pump millions into the Democrat election coffers.
As a foreign observer, I believe that the U.S. has proven time and time again that it has the ability to do anything it wants as long as the will is there. Its people are determined dreamers most of the time. But when it comes to sharing, America has a lot to learn.
Common trust in the U.S. is not that high. It is higher when compared to the undeveloped world, but when compared to other developed nations, its people do not care as much about one another. The idea that sharing anything = socialism = evil/must kill, is very prevalent in your society and is going to fracture unity in the long term.
The nations that are most successful in the long term, and I mean over the course of 500 years or more, have common trust that is high. People wish each other well, and aren't afraid of pitching in a little extra to help their neighbour, as opposed to the idea that your neighbour is going to suck you dry at the first opportunity.
Universal health care will not come to the U.S. because people do not believe in sharing, the common trust (in terms of the idea that MOST people would not abuse UHC if it existed), or extending goals beyond one's self-interest. It is still very much a corporate-driven, individualist, consumer society where community has been put on the backburner.
Universal health care will not come to the U.S. because people do not believe in sharing, the common trust (in terms of the idea that MOST people would not abuse UHC if it existed), or extending goals beyond one's self-interest. It is still very much a corporate-driven, individualist, consumer society where community has been put on the backburner.
As a foreign observer, I believe that the U.S. has proven time and time again that it has the ability to do anything it wants as long as the will is there. Its people are determined dreamers most of the time. But when it comes to sharing, America has a lot to learn.
Common trust in the U.S. is not that high. It is higher when compared to the undeveloped world, but when compared to other developed nations, its people do not care as much about one another. The idea that sharing anything = socialism = evil/must kill, is very prevalent in your society and is going to fracture unity in the long term.
The nations that are most successful in the long term, and I mean over the course of 500 years or more, have common trust that is high. People wish each other well, and aren't afraid of pitching in a little extra to help their neighbour, as opposed to the idea that your neighbour is going to suck you dry at the first opportunity.
Universal health care will not come to the U.S. because people do not believe in sharing, the common trust (in terms of the idea that MOST people would not abuse UHC if it existed), or extending goals beyond one's self-interest. It is still very much a corporate-driven, individualist, consumer society where community has been put on the backburner.
It has nothing to do with not wanting to help people. Hell I help strangers all the time.
The problem is that we demand that our rights not be taken away. Which is what this health bill attempts to do.
The thing is that here in the US nearly everyone can rise above poverty if they make the right choices and work hard enough. So there is no reason the poor cannot have more in life if they choose.
Your right to the opportunity of UHC was taken away when your government decided to spend half a trillion dollars on its military annually. It could spare 1% of that to create UHC infrastructure that would not increase your taxes.
The "right" you speak of revolves around the idea that you should get to choose your health care. That won't change with UHC. You just don't like the idea that your tax dollars would pay for someone else, that's all. It's this type of greed and distrust that is leading the U.S. down a dangerous divisionist path.
Our military helped defeat Nazism, Japanese Imperialism, and Communism. How easily the world forgets...
That's exactly right. I don't like the idea of my money being forcefully redistributed to strangers. What's wrong with that?
How much longer are people like you going to continue to milk the nationalist propaganda machine in order to justify lack of present action? I don't give a damn what happened 50+ years ago... it is not relevant to current domestic policy. Fact is, your government could spare that 1% easily while still maintaining a forward domestic momentum; the other fact is, though, that it won't, for the simple fact that the U.S. is a military nation and the welfare of its citizens is low priority.
Your entire system is setup to cater to the rich elites, and health care is one such aparatus: the pharmaceutical industry with its inflated prices, the insurance companies (and their corrupt, scheming rules), and the lack of public policy to regulate either.
Your money is already being redistributed... to rich strangers, and not commoners. Everytime you visit a doctor, buy a medication, or use your private insurance, some fat, rich guy is sitting in his leather chair having a hardy laugh at your expense.
The fact that you can only see ONE angle of the situation - "my money and no one else's" - is obscuring the fact that UHC, if done correctly, would create healthy competition and thus reduce costs for the common people. But no, all you can see is your individualist "mine mine mine" point of view.
America doesn't deserve UHC. Its people want to remain ill and ripped off.
A decidedly simplistic and childish view that bears absolutely no relation to reality. Your lack of understanding of the subject is the stuff of legends. You show a definitive shortfall of even basic economics, coupled with a naive expectation of government services.
How much longer are people like you going to continue to milk the nationalist propaganda machine in order to justify lack of present action?
I don't give a damn what happened 50+ years ago... it is not relevant to current domestic policy.
Fact is, your government could spare that 1% easily while still maintaining a forward domestic momentum; the other fact is, though, that it won't, for the simple fact that the U.S. is a military nation and the welfare of its citizens is low priority.
Your entire system is setup to cater to the rich elites, and health care is one such aparatus: the pharmaceutical industry with its inflated prices, the insurance companies (and their corrupt, scheming rules), and the lack of public policy to regulate either.
Your money is already being redistributed... to rich strangers, and not commoners. Everytime you visit a doctor, buy a medication, or use your private insurance, some fat, rich guy is sitting in his leather chair having a hardy laugh at your expense.
The fact that you can only see ONE angle of the situation - "my money and no one else's" - is obscuring the fact that UHC, if done correctly, would create healthy competition and thus reduce costs for the common people. But no, all you can see is your individualist "mine mine mine" point of view.
America doesn't deserve UHC. Its people want to remain ill and ripped off.
As a foreign observer, I believe that the U.S. has proven time and time again that it has the ability to do anything it wants as long as the will is there. Its people are determined dreamers most of the time. But when it comes to sharing, America has a lot to learn.
Common trust in the U.S. is not that high. It is higher when compared to the undeveloped world, but when compared to other developed nations, its people do not care as much about one another. The idea that sharing anything = socialism = evil/must kill, is very prevalent in your society and is going to fracture unity in the long term.
The nations that are most successful in the long term, and I mean over the course of 500 years or more, have common trust that is high. People wish each other well, and aren't afraid of pitching in a little extra to help their neighbour, as opposed to the idea that your neighbour is going to suck you dry at the first opportunity.
Universal health care will not come to the U.S. because people do not believe in sharing, the common trust (in terms of the idea that MOST people would not abuse UHC if it existed), or extending goals beyond one's self-interest. It is still very much a corporate-driven, individualist, consumer society where community has been put on the backburner.
Nationalist propaganda machine? People like me?
Pray, kind sir, could you clarify both of these statements?
A profound statement. Perhaps you should ponder its validity for a moment.
1. Five billion dollars annually is hardly enough to support a UHC infrastructure. Obama's plan would cost one trillion...just to start.
2. America spends roughly ten percent of GDP on welfare programs
3. America has one of the highest standards of living in the world.