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So what if Obama is Muslim?

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Islamic idiots are self-destructing daily,,,killing others all the time.

So are Murderers .... every damn day a child is probably abused somewhere in this world ... Not to mention rapists.

What is your point?
 
So are Murderers .... every damn day a child is probably abused somewhere in this world ... Not to mention rapists.

What is your point?

Between the crud you describe,,,and Islamic suicidal Butt-Wipes. The point is,,,(remove them) from our collective Lives.:lol:

Argue that, if you dare.:lol:
 
Between the crud you describe,,,and Islamic suicidal Butt-Wipes. The point is,,,(remove them) from our collective Lives.:lol:

Argue that, if you dare.:lol:

Who wants to argue that point? Oh wait, you assumed i'd be supporting Islamists right who want to kill people? :roll:

Islamists should not be part of civilized society.
Neither should pedophiles, murderers or rapists.

What is your next stupid point?
Can we speed this up and wrap it up, i need my beauty sleep.
 
I didnt mean to cause a Religious war here, I appologize.

I simply prefer that our leaders should be Secular and if they hold beliefs I would feel better about them if their faight was a bit mainstream and workable in our traditions as a nation built upon the Judeo/Christian ideals.

I dont view Mormonism as a mainstream religion and find it looney, sorry but that is the truth.

I find Hinduism cant work with our ideals because of its caste system.


Well I'm certain your Mormonism is nothing like the one I believe in. And there are other non LDS people that have remarked positively on it:


"Joseph's teachings provide solutions for most, if not all, of the genuine problems and contradictions of the Bible with which scholars have wrestled for generations."
– Heikki Raisanen, Finnish theologian, quoted in Edwin O. Haroldsen,
Good and Evil Spoken Of, unpublished article (quoted in Powerful Truths).


News reporter Mathew Davis writing to his wife after hearing Joseph Smith speak in Washington, D.C., on 5 February 1840, to an audience that included members of Congress: “[Joseph Smith] is a plain, sensible, strong minded man. Everything he says, is said in a manner to leave an impression that he is sincere. There is no levity, no fanaticism, no want of dignity in his deportment. …
“During the whole of his address, … there was no opinion or belief that he expressed, that was calculated, in the slightest degree, to impair the morals of society, or in any manner to degrade and brutalize the human species. There was much in his precepts, if they were followed, that would soften the asperities of man towards man. … His religion appears to be the religion of meekness, lowliness, and mild persuasion. …

Throughout his whole address, he displayed strongly a spirit of charity and forbearance. … “I have changed my opinion of the Mormons. They are an injured and much-abused people.”
History of the Church, 4:78–79


If the religion is so looney, why is it that the most Mormon of places is also one of the best educated and most peaceful places in the nation. The fruits don't match your caricature.

"If you imagine Provo and Orem as quaint, rural hamlets, consider this: the area is home to more than 80 software companies. This may be the best educated county in all the nation as well." Money, September 1991,p.139

Farmers Insurance recently named Provo the number one most secure metropolitan area in America. Based on crime statistics, risk factors of natural disasters and job loss numbers, Provo was ranked the most secure place to live of metropolitan areas with 200,000 residents or more.

Sparsely populated, landlocked and laced with the deserts, mountains and rugged wilderness regions typical of the American West, Utah is an unlikely place to find people who collectively speak 90% of the world's written languages.
Time, "Language The State of Many Tongues"

"It is a unique combination: a linguistically and culturally conscious society that is also computer literate," says ALPNET president Thomas Seal. Time, "Language The State of Many Tongues"
 
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So are Murderers .... every damn day a child is probably abused somewhere in this world ... Not to mention rapists.

What is your point?

Does ignoring the everday reality around you cause you discomfort Lay...? Islamic idiots are self-destructing daily,,,killing others all the time.

This is what I said...Between the crud you describe,,,and Islamic suicidal Butt-Wipes. The point is,,,(remove them) from our collective Lives.
Argue that, if you dare.

You play the "Edit/Liberal/Islamic/butt-wipe? :lol: I'll keep that in mind, Lay.
 
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Who wants to argue that point? Oh wait, you assumed i'd be supporting Islamists right who want to kill people? :roll:

Islamists should not be part of civilized society.
Neither should pedophiles, murderers or rapists.

What is your next stupid point?
Can we speed this up and wrap it up, i need my beauty sleep.

Already answered.
Try looking next time :2wave:
 
If the religion is so looney, why is it that the most Mormon of places is also one of the best educated and most peaceful places in the nation. The fruits don't match your caricature.


Listen I dont have an issue with Mormons, they have a right to practice their religion and follow their customs. I am sure what you point out is true, nonetheless I dont want the most powerful figure in the world to be one. That is my personal preference, I would not vote for a Mormon as it seems most of you guys arent just Mormons in name or for benefit, and take your religion seriously. Sorry its my opinion, dont want to offend you.
 
We'll its your right to be closeminded, but Mormons are very diverse. I don't like Romney because I'm a left leaning centrist and I can't stand seeing a Mormon acting like a dishonest politician. But I've met tons of amazing people that are LDS that would blow away anything we've had in office. And as far as the religion goes, ts the only one I know of who has scripture that states the U.S. constitution is divinely inspired and has free agency so rooted in its theology.
 
We'll its your right to be closeminded, but Mormons are very diverse. I don't like Romney because I'm a left leaning centrist and I can't stand seeing a Mormon acting like a dishonest politician. But I've met tons of amazing people that are LDS that would blow away anything we've had in office. And as far as the religion goes, ts the only one I know of who has scripture that states the U.S. constitution is divinely inspired and has free agency so rooted in its theology.

I am not closeminded ,perhaps I am being a bit overboard. Let me put it this way, being a Mormon would be a negative factor when I am voting for President but not one that would make or break my vote. I would take it into account along with other characteristics of the candidate.
 
No problem. You should go to some LDS services sometime just to get to know some of them. I think you'll have a better impression of the religion.
 
No problem. You should go to some LDS services sometime just to get to know some of them. I think you'll have a better impression of the religion.

Did you see the video, Jesus on celestial travel? Haha. The black people part was the funniest. It seems to me like one heck of an ignorant religion. I personally cant say i blame oxymoron for calling it looney, cause right now i can think of far worse names to call it.
 
Did you see the video, Jesus on celestial travel? Haha. The black people part was the funniest. It seems to me like one heck of an ignorant religion. I personally cant say i blame oxymoron for calling it looney, cause right now i can think of far worse names to call it.

Before buying that crap did you ever stop and consider that what these videos such as these put out as Mormon beliefs are often blatant lies or half truths, erroneous interpretations, faulty generalizations, and sensationalism.
 
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I personally would not care about his religious preference. I would however care if he lied about it. And I would care how much he let his religion determine his governance. I put up with a fundamentalist Christian President who openly cited his religious influence on his decision making process. I've no use for individuals in power who rule that way. It hinders their logic when they rely on guidance from an invisible and unengaged spirit.
 
Many of you have been discussing tenents of the various religions in this country. Although the question is about the probability of our president being a Muslim, I don't consider it a question about religion. Since we are at war with what we have only been able to describe as "radical muslims", I did not think it would be prudent to then possibly elect someone who half qualified under that description.

If you were a radical muslim back in the days of Sirhan Sirhan and wanted to place a mole in the U.S. system how would you do it? How about sending a loyal operative to the U.S. to meet, marry and breed with a U.S. citizen. Establish the child as a citizen then move to a muslim country and educate him in a madrasa for up to a decade. Move him back to U.S. soil and make sure that he will fit in and get all the education he needs with trips back to the "homeland" for reorientation from time to time. Perhaps you would want him to have a middle eastern handler as a roommate while in higher education to insure he doesn't stray fundamentally from the teachings of islam. Inject him into a corrupt socio-political environment and finance him through corrupt local graft and payoffs. Make sure he's of a nature to be insulated from criticism due to his race. Run him for local then federal office to the highest level he can achieve. Once he has achieved the presidential office invite him to bow before the leader of the Wahabi sect who call themselves muwahhidun, "unifiers" .

Did Clancy or Len Deighton conceive this plot in one of their novels? :think:

So, what if Obama is a muslim?
 
The personal faith, or lack thereof, means little to me so long as they don't pursue an agenda, based on those beliefs or pursue a course that discourages people from excercising their faith.

It would be disconcerting if it were somehow revealed that Obama was indeed a Muslim, if only because he would have purposefully hid his faith for political gain. I have an admiration for those that are willing to stand for what they believe in, despite the costs to them personally. In this scenario, Obama would have exhibited the cowardice that I believe is unfit for a leader of men.

We cannot effectively apply local social mores to that behavior.
It would be perfectly reasonable behavior to a true muslim to hide his faith so as to be in a position to cause maximum damage to a people not willing to fully submit to Islam.
A true muslim as defined by the koran hadiths and sunnah....Everyone else is a hypocrite and will feed the fire eventually.


It is a time honored tradition with a long and storied history called taqiyyah.

'Taqiyya': how Islamic extremists deceive the West

"What is taqiyya, as referred to in the indictment? The Islamic tradition of taqiyya stretches back to the sixth-century A.D. when, following disputes over succession after the Prophet Mohammed's death, the minority Shiites developed taqiyya, or "holy deception", to conceal their "true" beliefs from the Sunni majority and to maintain operational security for their jihad/ terrorist missions in the Dar el Haab--The Domain of War"
 
We cannot effectively apply local social mores to that behavior.
It would be perfectly reasonable behavior to a true muslim to hide his faith so as to be in a position to cause maximum damage to a people not willing to fully submit to Islam.
A true muslim as defined by the koran hadiths and sunnah....Everyone else is a hypocrite and will feed the fire eventually.


It is a time honored tradition with a long and storied history called taqiyyah.

'Taqiyya': how Islamic extremists deceive the West

"What is taqiyya, as referred to in the indictment? The Islamic tradition of taqiyya stretches back to the sixth-century A.D. when, following disputes over succession after the Prophet Mohammed's death, the minority Shiites developed taqiyya, or "holy deception", to conceal their "true" beliefs from the Sunni majority and to maintain operational security for their jihad/ terrorist missions in the Dar el Haab--The Domain of War"

Yeah but that looks like it pertains only to extremist Muslims.
 
Yeah but that looks like it pertains only to extremist Muslims.

Technically all muslims that do not jihad have wandered off the reservation and are the extremists by definition of the koran hadiths and sunnah.

They do not fully submit to the will of allah and are more worried about their kids and mortgages than bushwhacking an infidel.

We dig the non muslim muslims. They are condemed with the rest of us. All in the same boat on the way to the fire.

I am unconcerned with dear leader being a true muslim. I am more concerned with him being owned body and soul by the globalists bankers.
 
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Technically all muslims that do not jihad have wandered off the reservation and are the extremists by definition of the koran hadiths and sunnah.

They do not fully submit to the will of allah and are more worried about their kids and mortgages than bushwhacking an infidel.

We dig the non muslim muslims. They are condemed with the rest of us. All in the same boat on the way to the fire.

I am unconcerned with dear leader being a true muslim. I am more concerned with him being owned body and soul by the globalists bankers.

I always love people who use the classic "I read everything about Islam and now I know who's a real Muslim" and then walk away like 1930s jazz singers.
 
Nobody finds it at all odd, that the conservative Christian (me) is the one calling for tolerance and respect for other religions.... while the atheist/agnostic crowd are the ones ridiculing and disrespecting people of faith left and right?


Human society with no religion isn't going to happen. Atheists are a tiny minority of the planet.

If you want a world with relative "peace and harmony" as some of you say, forget trying to make everyone atheist, that isn't happening anytime this millenium. Instead, showing some respect and tolerance for other's religious beliefs would go a long way toward that goal.

You could start by trying to curb some of the more gratuitous religion-bashing at DP.

All I said was probably just wasted bandwidth, though, for all that any of you are likely to listen.
 
I agree and well said Goshin.
 
Nobody finds it at all odd, that the conservative Christian (me) is the one calling for tolerance and respect for other religions.... while the atheist/agnostic crowd are the ones ridiculing and disrespecting people of faith left and right?

Just as all conservative Christians are not to blame for the actions of their extremist fringe, all atheists/agnostics are not to blame for our extremist fringe.

Every group has some members who are intolerant, bigoted, and ignorant. Unfortunately, these members often tend to be the most vocal members of a group as well.



Human society with no religion isn't going to happen. Atheists are a tiny minority of the planet.

If you want a world with relative "peace and harmony" as some of you say, forget trying to make everyone atheist, that isn't happening anytime this millenium. Instead, showing some respect and tolerance for other's religious beliefs would go a long way toward that goal.

I agree 100%

You could start by trying to curb some of the more gratuitous religion-bashing at DP.

Those who need to listen to you and take your advice are across the entire religious spectrum, and, unfortunately, they are the least likely folk to listen to it.
 
If he were Muslim I would be more concerned about the fact that he lied, and not so much the fact that he is Muslim. That shows that he has something to hide and I wouldn't like that.
 
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