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So what if Obama is Muslim?

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Theres reports flying about everywhere that Obama is not an American citizen, there is no birth certificate record of him being from Hawai, and above all, that Obama has adopted the faith of his father, and is actually a muslim.

Now, America claims to be the land of the free, and the most modernized, liberal country, so why does the media feel like its a scandal that Obama may be a Muslim, and why are so many American citizens sensitive to the issue? Why have many in the American public adopted the attitude of the media and too do believe if he is a Muslim, it is a scandal? So what if he WAS a Muslim? How would the populace react if he was an open Atheist or Agnostic? Is religion, and this backwards way of thinking, still very prevelant in the most Westernized country in the world?
 
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This is going to sound bad, but i do not think US is ready for a Non Christian President.
It took a long time for a Catholic to become President, do you remember the outrage then. I can never imagine a Atheist becoming President of the United States in my lifetime, if i remember correctly. I remember reading a while back atheists were the least trusted group in US
 
This is going to sound bad, but i do not think US is ready for a Non Christian President.
It took a long time for a Catholic to become President, do you remember the outrage then. I can never imagine a Atheist becoming President of the United States in my lifetime, if i remember correctly. I remember reading a while back atheists were the least trusted group in US

Its sad isnt it, really. For all the talk about America being the best Democracy and the most liberal, and most foward thinking modern nation, we are still discriminating our votes based on religious beliefs and not ideology.
 
Its sad isnt it, really. For all the talk about America being the best Democracy and the most liberal, and most foward thinking modern nation, we are still discriminating our votes based on religious beliefs and not ideology.

To be fair to US.
I cannot imagine a black Prime Minister over here. So they got one up on us haven't they?
I do think Europe would be first out of the two to elect a Atheist leader religion is on the decline over here whereas it is on the increase in US.
Nick Clegg, leader of LD is an Atheist and no politican speaks about religion here.

US is different culturally compared to us, i don't think you can be elected President without mentioning faith somewhere. Its counted as a plus, whereas over here Blair had to hide he was a secret catholic because he feared he'd be labelled a nutter if he went too religious and i remember a specific incident when Blair went to visit Bush when they were both leaders and there was a major storm that Blair had prayed with Bush.
 
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People who see America as a Christian nation will be outraged if a non-Christian was to lead it.

There's also the fact that a person that follows a certain religion will always be in favor of his religion, and if he wouldn't, he's not really a follower of his religion.
 
The personal faith, or lack thereof, means little to me so long as they don't pursue an agenda, based on those beliefs or pursue a course that discourages people from excercising their faith.

It would be disconcerting if it were somehow revealed that Obama was indeed a Muslim, if only because he would have purposefully hid his faith for political gain. I have an admiration for those that are willing to stand for what they believe in, despite the costs to them personally. In this scenario, Obama would have exhibited the cowardice that I believe is unfit for a leader of men.
 
I believe in judging people by their actions, and if Obama is a Muslim, it sure doesn't look to me that his actions have been compromised by it.

Heck, Jimmy Carter is a more likely candidate for stealth Muslim in my book, since his politics are so compromised he might as well be a wholly owned subsidiary of Wahhabist incorporated.
 
I don't really know what religion President Obama is, and I don't think anyone else really knows for certain either.

As someone who prefers his government operated according to secular principles, I approve of this state of affairs.
 
If America could ever accept it, a Muslim leader might even be good for foreign relations with predominantly Muslim countries in the Middle East, Asia, or Africa. Plus, I am infatuated with the Muslim religion, so basically I'd be appeased for a one or two terms.
 
I don't believe Obama is a Muslim, but I have serious doubts that he is an actual Christian in anything but name and that for the sake of convenience.

In itself this doesn't bother me excessively, as we've had a number of presidents in my lifetime who were "Christian" in name only.

If Obama were indeed "secretly Muslim", my chief beef would be the same as WICrippler's above: that he deceptively hid it for political advantage.

Would he have gotten elected if he had been openly Muslim? I doubt it, since we've been at war with radical Islamists for eight years.
 
If America could ever accept it, a Muslim leader might even be good for foreign relations with predominantly Muslim countries in the Middle East, Asia, or Africa. Plus, I am infatuated with the Muslim religion, so basically I'd be appeased for a one or two terms.

Why are you infatuated? Islam is extrordinarily conservative, while you say you are liberal.

I would't think there would be much, if any common ground there.
 
Theres reports flying about everywhere that Obama is not an American citizen, there is no birth certificate record of him being from Hawai, and above all, that Obama has adopted the faith of his father, and is actually a muslim.

Now, America claims to be the land of the free, and the most modernized, liberal country, so why does the media feel like its a scandal that Obama may be a Muslim, and why are so many American citizens sensitive to the issue? Why have many in the American public adopted the attitude of the media and too do believe if he is a Muslim, it is a scandal? So what if he WAS a Muslim? How would the populace react if he was an open Atheist or Agnostic? Is religion, and this backwards way of thinking, still very prevelant in the most Westernized country in the world?

I could care less if Obama is Muslim. The vast majority of politicians who claim to be religious are not. Its is just something they wear on their sleeves for votes. Its like a costume to them to pretend to be something they are not for cheep votes.Nancy Peliso is a good example of this, she claims to be catholic but votes in a manner that contradicts this. I know every atheist and atheist in religious clothing will claim she is a politicians and supposed to vote how the people in office want her to vote. Well if you actually are religious you do not tell your god **** you I do what ever I want,that is not how being being religious works. If you are religious it is supposed to be a 100% integrated into your life,not when you are trying to get votes. So a politician's alleged religious affiliation doesn't bother me, its when they blatantly act phony it bothers me. Because basically it is saying ha ha we lied sucker thanks for the vote. Its like voting for Bush thinking he is a patriotic conservative American and he turns around and sells this country's jobs down the toilet,allows foreign countries to run the ports, and tries to sell this country out to illegals.

All that above said if it was actually revealed that Obama really is a muslim. it would seem like one hell of a deception on his part to attend a racist anti-American christian church for 20 plus years while in reality being a muslim.
 
If he's a Muslim, he's hidden and denied that faith publicly.

Whether that matters depends on a) whether one accepts and acknowledges the dispensation of al-taqiyya and b) whether one accepts that Dear Leader was in a position requiring his "...Concealing or disguising one's beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and/or strategies at a time of eminent danger, whether now or later in time, to save oneself from physical and/or mental injury."

I despise him for the putrid nature of his politics, so the particulars of whatever faith he has in heart is irrelevant to me.
 
I would only care if he claimed to be something he wasn't in a betrayal of the public trust, thus making him an unworthy steward of our Constitution, our rights and our freedoms.
 
It would only matter to me if him revealing his true identity as a Sith Lord (I mean Muslim) magically made his politics not suck.
 
Which part of Islam infatuates you, the part about Dhimmi status for Jews and Christians, Sharia Law or the suppression of women?
 
What greater aspecrt of ideoloigy is there than one's religion?

I find Islam objectionable, and pretty much incompatible with concepts like civil rights, women's rights, human rights, religious rights and liberty in general.
 
Which part of Islam infatuates you, the part about Dhimmi status for Jews and Christians, Sharia Law or the suppression of women?

You do know you also just described Christianity?

Which part of Islam Christianity infatuates you, the part about Dhimmi status for Jews and Christians Muslims, Sharia Law or the suppression of women?

In my opinion, Christianity or Judaism are no more "saintly" than Islam.
 
What greater aspecrt of ideoloigy is there than one's religion?

I find Islam objectionable, and pretty much incompatible with concepts like civil rights, women's rights, human rights, religious rights and liberty in general.

Granted, but i dont think Christianity is either. I just think Islam is worse, sort of gets on my balls when people try to glorify Christianity against Islam when in truth they are no better.
 
Kaya, I have a question for you: Why do you ask this?
 
Granted, but i dont think Christianity is either. I just think Islam is worse, sort of gets on my balls when people try to glorify Christianity against Islam when in truth they are no better.

I think the reason why some try to say Christianity and Catholicism(no I do not consider Catholics Christians) is better than Islam is because you have to look in a history book to see their bad ****( I do not consider the crusades a bad thing), while to see some bad **** Muslims have done you can just turn on the news.
 
Nope. Read up on the topic. There have certainly been historical perversions, but in modern times, the writ is clear.

Islam on the other hand, only seems to become more repressive when studied more closely and implemented faithfully.

It's been many moons since anything approaching a mainstream Christian organization stoned, beheaded or publicly hung someone for religious offenses. Not so Islam.

Christian women can show their face in any country where Islam does not hold sway. So can any non-Christian woman.

In predominantly Christian countries, publication of tracts ridiculing the prevailing religious dogma is rather unlikely to get one executed, as opposed to countries under the dark influence of Sharia.

The primary non-Jewish advocated of the Jews are Christians.

Typically, in countries dominated by Christians, civil rights of individuals of other faiths are guaranteed.

In Christian countries as opposed to Islamic, rapists are generally considered to be solely responsible for any shame attaching to the act of rape, and not the victim.

One rarely finds a Christian clergyman extolling the virtues and Paradisiacal rewards of blowing ones self up ion order to kill strangers at bus stops.
 
Kaya, I have a question for you: Why do you ask this?

Why not? Its a circumstance that has some controversy amongst Americans and the media, that Obama's faith is questionable and if Americans really would have a problem with his being a Muslim which i think some do.
 
Nope. Read up on the topic. There have certainly been historical perversions, but in modern times, the writ is clear.

Islam on the other hand, only seems to become more repressive when studied more closely and implemented faithfully.

It's been many moons since anything approaching a mainstream Christian organization stoned, beheaded or publicly hung someone for religious offenses. Not so Islam.

Christian women can show their face in any country where Islam does not hold sway. So can any non-Christian woman.

In predominantly Christian countries, publication of tracts ridiculing the prevailing religious dogma is rather unlikely to get one executed, as opposed to countries under the dark influence of Sharia.

The primary non-Jewish advocated of the Jews are Christians.

Typically, in countries dominated by Christians, civil rights of individuals of other faiths are guaranteed.

In Christian countries as opposed to Islamic, rapists are generally considered to be solely responsible for any shame attaching to the act of rape, and not the victim.

One rarely finds a Christian clergyman extolling the virtues and Paradisiacal rewards of blowing ones self up ion order to kill strangers at bus stops.

Couldn't have said it better myself. You mostly have to go back centuries to find any substantial oppression committed "in the name of Christianity" (mostly as an excuse used by political authorities), whereas Islamic atrocities are available in the news daily.
 
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