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    Re: So what if Obama is Muslim?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Yes, I sometimes get annoyed when folks not from the USA oversimplify or misconstrue aspects of the US political system, but then to be fair there are many details and subtleties of the UK/Commonwealth system that I am unfamiliar with (and usually don't care much about).
    UK has arguably a form of federal system in the shape of devolution but obviously Parliament can take those powers devolved to Scottish Parliament (too powerful imo), Welsh and N Ireland assembles (not powerful enough) back at any time.
    What is so confusing about the commonwealth?

    Edit: Oh and then there is the EU layer on top of that.
    A federal Europe this time next year if Lisbon passes Ireland *shudders*
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    Re: So what if Obama is Muslim?

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    The big difference is we don't sit here and say they're communists.. or socialists.. at least I don't.. because I'm not 100% sure what those retards over there are.
    We're not communist yet ... if Labour has anything to do with it, this will soon change


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    Re: So what if Obama is Muslim?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    We're not communist yet ... if Labour has anything to do with it, this will soon change
    lol, well my point was I don't speculate on your political system over there like kaila is of our's.
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    Re: So what if Obama is Muslim?

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    lol, well my point was I don't speculate on your political system over there like kaila is of our's.
    Point taken =D
    Our political system is pretty simple on paper, no need to speculate

    We operate under a Parliamentary system with a constitutional Monarchy where the Queen is head of state and Prime Minister is head of Government.
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    Re: So what if Obama is Muslim?

    I could care less what religion Obama was, and either way, it shouldn't matter. The US is not a theocracy. His religious principles have nothing to do with his ability to be a moral man, or his ability to govern.
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    Re: So what if Obama is Muslim?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anima View Post
    I could care less what religion Obama was, and either way, it shouldn't matter. The US is not a theocracy. His religious principles have nothing to do with his ability to be a moral man, or his ability to govern.
    Good point, even if he doesn't have religious principles, the ability to be a moral man, or an ability to govern.

    Bottom line, the Constitution precludes applying a religious test for any public office in the United States. If Dear Leader is a Muslim, then he's as bad a Muslim in private as he's been a Christian in public. That's where the criticism belongs--not for the faith he pretends to hold, but for the lack of faith-based principles he displays.

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    Re: So what if Obama is Muslim?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Good point, even if he doesn't have religious principles, the ability to be a moral man, or an ability to govern.

    Bottom line, the Constitution precludes applying a religious test for any public office in the United States. If Dear Leader is a Muslim, then he's as bad a Muslim in private as he's been a Christian in public. That's where the criticism belongs--not for the faith he pretends to hold, but for the lack of faith-based principles he displays.
    I've got to be honest and say I don't think he needs faith-based principles. I don't think anyone does. I also don't see why people are convinced he's not a Christian, when simply the word of former Republican presidents was enough, even if they were not seen to attend church or have knowledge of the Christian Bible.
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    Re: So what if Obama is Muslim?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anima View Post
    I've got to be honest and say I don't think he needs faith-based principles. I don't think anyone does. I also don't see why people are convinced he's not a Christian, when simply the word of former Republican presidents was enough, even if they were not seen to attend church or have knowledge of the Christian Bible.
    His background plays a role and it is a way of trying to attack him imo.
    Because he spent some time in a Muslim country must mean he is still one or even better, his father is one so he must be. It is pitiful but only a minority are convinced he is not who he says he is even tho the evidence shows different


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    Re: So what if Obama is Muslim?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    His background plays a role and it is a way of trying to attack him imo.
    Because he spent some time in a Muslim country must mean he is still one or even better, his father is one so he must be. It is pitiful but only a minority are convinced he is not who he says he is even tho the evidence shows different


    There's actually a little more to it than that, Laila. As I recall he went to a madrassa, a Muslim religious school, in his youth, but he said "it didn't take". Given our current war-on-terror status, that sort of thing worried some people. Some are still worried by it.

    THAT doesn't concern me greatly. IMHO Obama's true religion is Radical Leftism...and that does worry me.

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    Re: So what if Obama is Muslim?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    There's actually a little more to it than that, Laila. As I recall he went to a madrassa, a Muslim religious school, in his youth, but he said "it didn't take". Given our current war-on-terror status, that sort of thing worried some people. Some are still worried by it.

    THAT doesn't concern me greatly. IMHO Obama's true religion is Radical Leftism...and that does worry me.
    Why does it matter?
    My brother and cousin attended madrassa, one married a jew and the other is gay. I mean seriously, are we judging people from where they went as a child.

    Seeing Muslims are more patriotic in US than they are in Europe (generally speaking), i'd love it if European Muslims loved their countries even half as much as American Muslims love theirs. It is something i think alot of Americans take for granted.
    Infact i remember listening to radio a few days after London bombings and it stated some American Muslim leaders approached the American authorities to ask how to aid them in preventing the same thing occuring there, homegrown terrorism.


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