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Thread: So what if Obama is Muslim?

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    Re: So what if Obama is Muslim?

    Many of you have been discussing tenents of the various religions in this country. Although the question is about the probability of our president being a Muslim, I don't consider it a question about religion. Since we are at war with what we have only been able to describe as "radical muslims", I did not think it would be prudent to then possibly elect someone who half qualified under that description.

    If you were a radical muslim back in the days of Sirhan Sirhan and wanted to place a mole in the U.S. system how would you do it? How about sending a loyal operative to the U.S. to meet, marry and breed with a U.S. citizen. Establish the child as a citizen then move to a muslim country and educate him in a madrasa for up to a decade. Move him back to U.S. soil and make sure that he will fit in and get all the education he needs with trips back to the "homeland" for reorientation from time to time. Perhaps you would want him to have a middle eastern handler as a roommate while in higher education to insure he doesn't stray fundamentally from the teachings of islam. Inject him into a corrupt socio-political environment and finance him through corrupt local graft and payoffs. Make sure he's of a nature to be insulated from criticism due to his race. Run him for local then federal office to the highest level he can achieve. Once he has achieved the presidential office invite him to bow before the leader of the Wahabi sect who call themselves muwahhidun, "unifiers" .

    Did Clancy or Len Deighton conceive this plot in one of their novels?

    So, what if Obama is a muslim?
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    Re: So what if Obama is Muslim?

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    The personal faith, or lack thereof, means little to me so long as they don't pursue an agenda, based on those beliefs or pursue a course that discourages people from excercising their faith.

    It would be disconcerting if it were somehow revealed that Obama was indeed a Muslim, if only because he would have purposefully hid his faith for political gain. I have an admiration for those that are willing to stand for what they believe in, despite the costs to them personally. In this scenario, Obama would have exhibited the cowardice that I believe is unfit for a leader of men.
    We cannot effectively apply local social mores to that behavior.
    It would be perfectly reasonable behavior to a true muslim to hide his faith so as to be in a position to cause maximum damage to a people not willing to fully submit to Islam.
    A true muslim as defined by the koran hadiths and sunnah....Everyone else is a hypocrite and will feed the fire eventually.


    It is a time honored tradition with a long and storied history called taqiyyah.

    'Taqiyya': how Islamic extremists deceive the West

    "What is taqiyya, as referred to in the indictment? The Islamic tradition of taqiyya stretches back to the sixth-century A.D. when, following disputes over succession after the Prophet Mohammed's death, the minority Shiites developed taqiyya, or "holy deception", to conceal their "true" beliefs from the Sunni majority and to maintain operational security for their jihad/ terrorist missions in the Dar el Haab--The Domain of War"
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    Re: So what if Obama is Muslim?

    Quote Originally Posted by akyron View Post
    We cannot effectively apply local social mores to that behavior.
    It would be perfectly reasonable behavior to a true muslim to hide his faith so as to be in a position to cause maximum damage to a people not willing to fully submit to Islam.
    A true muslim as defined by the koran hadiths and sunnah....Everyone else is a hypocrite and will feed the fire eventually.


    It is a time honored tradition with a long and storied history called taqiyyah.

    'Taqiyya': how Islamic extremists deceive the West

    "What is taqiyya, as referred to in the indictment? The Islamic tradition of taqiyya stretches back to the sixth-century A.D. when, following disputes over succession after the Prophet Mohammed's death, the minority Shiites developed taqiyya, or "holy deception", to conceal their "true" beliefs from the Sunni majority and to maintain operational security for their jihad/ terrorist missions in the Dar el Haab--The Domain of War"
    Yeah but that looks like it pertains only to extremist Muslims.


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    Re: So what if Obama is Muslim?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    Yeah but that looks like it pertains only to extremist Muslims.
    Technically all muslims that do not jihad have wandered off the reservation and are the extremists by definition of the koran hadiths and sunnah.

    They do not fully submit to the will of allah and are more worried about their kids and mortgages than bushwhacking an infidel.

    We dig the non muslim muslims. They are condemed with the rest of us. All in the same boat on the way to the fire.

    I am unconcerned with dear leader being a true muslim. I am more concerned with him being owned body and soul by the globalists bankers.
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    Re: So what if Obama is Muslim?

    Quote Originally Posted by akyron View Post
    Technically all muslims that do not jihad have wandered off the reservation and are the extremists by definition of the koran hadiths and sunnah.

    They do not fully submit to the will of allah and are more worried about their kids and mortgages than bushwhacking an infidel.

    We dig the non muslim muslims. They are condemed with the rest of us. All in the same boat on the way to the fire.

    I am unconcerned with dear leader being a true muslim. I am more concerned with him being owned body and soul by the globalists bankers.
    I always love people who use the classic "I read everything about Islam and now I know who's a real Muslim" and then walk away like 1930s jazz singers.


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    Re: So what if Obama is Muslim?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    I always love people who use the classic "I read everything about Islam and now I know who's a real Muslim" and then walk away like 1930s jazz singers.
    Of course the definitions of the holy texts are disputed. Hence the internal centuries of religious sanctioned bloodshed.


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    Re: So what if Obama is Muslim?

    Nobody finds it at all odd, that the conservative Christian (me) is the one calling for tolerance and respect for other religions.... while the atheist/agnostic crowd are the ones ridiculing and disrespecting people of faith left and right?


    Human society with no religion isn't going to happen. Atheists are a tiny minority of the planet.

    If you want a world with relative "peace and harmony" as some of you say, forget trying to make everyone atheist, that isn't happening anytime this millenium. Instead, showing some respect and tolerance for other's religious beliefs would go a long way toward that goal.

    You could start by trying to curb some of the more gratuitous religion-bashing at DP.

    All I said was probably just wasted bandwidth, though, for all that any of you are likely to listen.

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    Re: So what if Obama is Muslim?

    I agree and well said Goshin.


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    Re: So what if Obama is Muslim?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Nobody finds it at all odd, that the conservative Christian (me) is the one calling for tolerance and respect for other religions.... while the atheist/agnostic crowd are the ones ridiculing and disrespecting people of faith left and right?
    Just as all conservative Christians are not to blame for the actions of their extremist fringe, all atheists/agnostics are not to blame for our extremist fringe.

    Every group has some members who are intolerant, bigoted, and ignorant. Unfortunately, these members often tend to be the most vocal members of a group as well.



    Human society with no religion isn't going to happen. Atheists are a tiny minority of the planet.

    If you want a world with relative "peace and harmony" as some of you say, forget trying to make everyone atheist, that isn't happening anytime this millenium. Instead, showing some respect and tolerance for other's religious beliefs would go a long way toward that goal.
    I agree 100%

    You could start by trying to curb some of the more gratuitous religion-bashing at DP.
    Those who need to listen to you and take your advice are across the entire religious spectrum, and, unfortunately, they are the least likely folk to listen to it.

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    Re: So what if Obama is Muslim?

    If he were Muslim I would be more concerned about the fact that he lied, and not so much the fact that he is Muslim. That shows that he has something to hide and I wouldn't like that.

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