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    Re: So what if Obama is Muslim?

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    I didnt mean to cause a Religious war here, I appologize.

    I simply prefer that our leaders should be Secular and if they hold beliefs I would feel better about them if their faight was a bit mainstream and workable in our traditions as a nation built upon the Judeo/Christian ideals.

    I dont view Mormonism as a mainstream religion and find it looney, sorry but that is the truth.

    I find Hinduism cant work with our ideals because of its caste system.

    Well I'm certain your Mormonism is nothing like the one I believe in. And there are other non LDS people that have remarked positively on it:


    "Joseph's teachings provide solutions for most, if not all, of the genuine problems and contradictions of the Bible with which scholars have wrestled for generations."
    – Heikki Raisanen, Finnish theologian, quoted in Edwin O. Haroldsen,
    Good and Evil Spoken Of, unpublished article (quoted in Powerful Truths).


    News reporter Mathew Davis writing to his wife after hearing Joseph Smith speak in Washington, D.C., on 5 February 1840, to an audience that included members of Congress: “[Joseph Smith] is a plain, sensible, strong minded man. Everything he says, is said in a manner to leave an impression that he is sincere. There is no levity, no fanaticism, no want of dignity in his deportment. …
    “During the whole of his address, … there was no opinion or belief that he expressed, that was calculated, in the slightest degree, to impair the morals of society, or in any manner to degrade and brutalize the human species. There was much in his precepts, if they were followed, that would soften the asperities of man towards man. … His religion appears to be the religion of meekness, lowliness, and mild persuasion. …

    “Throughout his whole address, he displayed strongly a spirit of charity and forbearance. … “I have changed my opinion of the Mormons. They are an injured and much-abused people.”
    History of the Church, 4:78–79


    If the religion is so looney, why is it that the most Mormon of places is also one of the best educated and most peaceful places in the nation. The fruits don't match your caricature.

    "If you imagine Provo and Orem as quaint, rural hamlets, consider this: the area is home to more than 80 software companies. This may be the best educated county in all the nation as well." Money, September 1991,p.139

    Farmers Insurance recently named Provo the number one most secure metropolitan area in America. Based on crime statistics, risk factors of natural disasters and job loss numbers, Provo was ranked the most secure place to live of metropolitan areas with 200,000 residents or more.

    Sparsely populated, landlocked and laced with the deserts, mountains and rugged wilderness regions typical of the American West, Utah is an unlikely place to find people who collectively speak 90% of the world's written languages.
    Time, "Language The State of Many Tongues"

    "It is a unique combination: a linguistically and culturally conscious society that is also computer literate," says ALPNET president Thomas Seal. Time, "Language The State of Many Tongues"
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    Re: So what if Obama is Muslim?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    So are Murderers .... every damn day a child is probably abused somewhere in this world ... Not to mention rapists.

    What is your point?
    Does ignoring the everday reality around you cause you discomfort Lay...? Islamic idiots are self-destructing daily,,,killing others all the time.

    This is what I said...Between the crud you describe,,,and Islamic suicidal Butt-Wipes. The point is,,,(remove them) from our collective Lives.
    Argue that, if you dare.

    You play the "Edit/Liberal/Islamic/butt-wipe? I'll keep that in mind, Lay.
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    Re: So what if Obama is Muslim?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Who wants to argue that point? Oh wait, you assumed i'd be supporting Islamists right who want to kill people?

    Islamists should not be part of civilized society.
    Neither should pedophiles, murderers or rapists.

    What is your next stupid point?
    Can we speed this up and wrap it up, i need my beauty sleep.
    Already answered.
    Try looking next time


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    Re: So what if Obama is Muslim?

    If the religion is so looney, why is it that the most Mormon of places is also one of the best educated and most peaceful places in the nation. The fruits don't match your caricature.

    Listen I dont have an issue with Mormons, they have a right to practice their religion and follow their customs. I am sure what you point out is true, nonetheless I dont want the most powerful figure in the world to be one. That is my personal preference, I would not vote for a Mormon as it seems most of you guys arent just Mormons in name or for benefit, and take your religion seriously. Sorry its my opinion, dont want to offend you.


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    Re: So what if Obama is Muslim?

    We'll its your right to be closeminded, but Mormons are very diverse. I don't like Romney because I'm a left leaning centrist and I can't stand seeing a Mormon acting like a dishonest politician. But I've met tons of amazing people that are LDS that would blow away anything we've had in office. And as far as the religion goes, ts the only one I know of who has scripture that states the U.S. constitution is divinely inspired and has free agency so rooted in its theology.

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    Re: So what if Obama is Muslim?

    Quote Originally Posted by laska View Post
    We'll its your right to be closeminded, but Mormons are very diverse. I don't like Romney because I'm a left leaning centrist and I can't stand seeing a Mormon acting like a dishonest politician. But I've met tons of amazing people that are LDS that would blow away anything we've had in office. And as far as the religion goes, ts the only one I know of who has scripture that states the U.S. constitution is divinely inspired and has free agency so rooted in its theology.
    I am not closeminded ,perhaps I am being a bit overboard. Let me put it this way, being a Mormon would be a negative factor when I am voting for President but not one that would make or break my vote. I would take it into account along with other characteristics of the candidate.


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    Re: So what if Obama is Muslim?

    No problem. You should go to some LDS services sometime just to get to know some of them. I think you'll have a better impression of the religion.

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    Re: So what if Obama is Muslim?

    Quote Originally Posted by laska View Post
    No problem. You should go to some LDS services sometime just to get to know some of them. I think you'll have a better impression of the religion.
    Did you see the video, Jesus on celestial travel? Haha. The black people part was the funniest. It seems to me like one heck of an ignorant religion. I personally cant say i blame oxymoron for calling it looney, cause right now i can think of far worse names to call it.
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    Re: So what if Obama is Muslim?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Did you see the video, Jesus on celestial travel? Haha. The black people part was the funniest. It seems to me like one heck of an ignorant religion. I personally cant say i blame oxymoron for calling it looney, cause right now i can think of far worse names to call it.
    Before buying that crap did you ever stop and consider that what these videos such as these put out as Mormon beliefs are often blatant lies or half truths, erroneous interpretations, faulty generalizations, and sensationalism.
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    Re: So what if Obama is Muslim?

    I personally would not care about his religious preference. I would however care if he lied about it. And I would care how much he let his religion determine his governance. I put up with a fundamentalist Christian President who openly cited his religious influence on his decision making process. I've no use for individuals in power who rule that way. It hinders their logic when they rely on guidance from an invisible and unengaged spirit.
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