Yeah, sure. That makes perfect sense.
I'm in favor of affirmative action.
I don't think it should be used for criteria.
I have no opinion.
Other (please explain)
Yeah, sure. That makes perfect sense.
You mean talking life stories over beers after class makes it easier to learn Kirkoff's Law?
Castigliano's Theorem makes more sense to the students when there's more substandard students in the class who got in because of racial considerations, not math scores?
How does the joint analysis of a truss framed bridge become simpler when the skins shades in the room are more like desert-camo than artic snow or coal-tar? Hmmmm?
I had a stimulating and interesting academic experience.
And out of 200 or so freshmen entrants in the university's aerospace engineering program, all the people who got in on anything less than academic ability dropped out because they were too stupid to handle the courses. They suffered disappointment of failure, we suffered the annoyance of having our class time wasted by diversely stupid people who didn't belong.
And in the end, the 15% the completed the course requirements graduated because they completed the course requirements, and not one of them had had any need of getting into the program on anything other than their grades and performance.
Hey NYC, I'm back,
Fair enough, I, like you dislike and disagree with the implementation of over-zealous AA. Diversifying, like anything else can be done poorly and well. You certainly have cited examples of it doing terribly. So I'm with you in that regard.Originally Posted by NYC
Again here we seem to be on the same page, I do not believe that ethnicity or race should trump academics, only supplement academic info when selecting a candidate for acceptance.Originally Posted by NYC
Here we go agreeing again. Again, I don't believe ethnicity should trump academics, only supplement them.Originally Posted by NYC
So it appears as though we hold similar views here, would this be a safe, agreeable conclusion:
Voluntary diversifying programs are acceptable at private schools so long as race/ethnicity does not trump the academic qualities of the student . It should only be used to promote diversity in instances when there is a high degree of disparity regarding a given ethnic group.
No, it is not. Racism, by definition implies that a given race is superior to another. That assumption is not made here. The logic of AA, in my mind, is simple:Originally Posted by SA
-Diversity is good
-Promoting diversity is therefore also good
-In instances when a borderline candidate is also a member of a disproportionately underrepresented ethnicity, accepting that individual would promote diversity.
SA, if there were two students with identical scores and GPAs, how would you go about choosing one?
May I ask what you would do to encourage diversity at a University?Originally Posted by SA
At Northeastern we just used a dark room, but a coal cellar isn't a bad idea.Originally Posted by SA
You're making the mistake of only viewing this through the prism of racial minorities at a predominately white school. If a suburban black kid coming form an affluent family with very little interesting life experiences is matched up against a white kid who has lived a rough life, persevered through challenges and has equal scores/GPA, the white kid should get the call. Additionally, in the case of minority-majority schools, the same may be done for various white ethnicities.
What I'm saying is the issue isn't so...
Wait for it....
Black and white.
When he can't get into school? You mean when he can't get into A school, correct. If you have a 3.5 GPA and a 1300 SAT, you're going to college. Period. So the question as it is currently worded does not make sense.Originally Posted by SA
It's a form of discrimination, hence it's wrong.
No, I mean that having a black person in an African American studies class is helpful. Or that having an Indian in a class about the Indian-Pakistani situation is helpful. Or that having an Iraqi in a class about Islam is helpful. Can you truly not see an instance where having different people in the classroom would help?Originally Posted by SA
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