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Thread: Affirmative Action (in college admissions): Good idea or Bad idea.

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    Re: Affirmative Action (in college admissions): Good idea or Bad idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    Are you in favor of it or do you disagree with it?

    I think when public schools use this it violates the Civil Rights Act of 1964, more specifically Title II and Title IV and when it comes to private schools I just think it's wrong.
    I've no use for anyone that thinks the color of their skin gives them "Special Rights".

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    Re: Affirmative Action (in college admissions): Good idea or Bad idea.

    If colleges encourage diversity and utilize a system of 'affirmative action' voluntarily, cool. However, racial quotas or anything similar should not be forced upon them by the government.

    RE Law Schools: This issue is fairly close to my heart as I'll be applying to law schools in just under two years. I'm multi-racial, I know for a fact that several schools will weigh that heavily when considering my application, but they are not being forced to heavily weigh my ethnicity. If they want to accept me due in part to my degree of diversity, that's their choice. Again, I reiterate that they should not be forced to do so.

    -NC

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    Re: Affirmative Action (in college admissions): Good idea or Bad idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by NortheastCynic View Post
    If colleges encourage diversity and utilize a system of 'affirmative action' voluntarily, cool. However, racial quotas or anything similar should not be forced upon them by the government.

    RE Law Schools: This issue is fairly close to my heart as I'll be applying to law schools in just under two years. I'm multi-racial, I know for a fact that several schools will weigh that heavily when considering my application, but they are not being forced to heavily weigh my ethnicity. If they want to accept me due in part to my degree of diversity, that's their choice. Again, I reiterate that they should not be forced to do so.

    -NC
    I am not opposed to an institution choosing AA either, I still think it's a rather condescending position to take, diversity, while good, should not be created by policy, rather, it should be the best of the best bouncing ideas off of each other and sharing perspectives that otherwise would not be considered, that is how better ideas are formed and thus it is the essence of proper education. Also of note, let's say a less than qualified engineering student(of any cultural, racial, etc.) status starts and industrial engineering firm and lands a contract in a large city to build bridges, because he isn't the best, I would ask how comfortable anyone would be crossing that bridge, or we could apply it to criminal/civil law, or even medicine. Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I expect my professionals to actually know what they are doing to the highest degree.
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    Re: Affirmative Action (in college admissions): Good idea or Bad idea.

    Hey LA,
    The thing with academic institutions is that it is rare (at least at the undergrad level...the following cannot be said for law schools) for, say a black kid with significantly worse scores or a lower GPA to be admitted over a more qualified white kid nowadays. Typically, two candidates with similar scores are compared to each other, one is Laotian the other is white, the Laotian gets the call because he/she provides the schools with greater diversity. With regard to grad schools, I agree with you, largely.

    For what it's worth, diversity does enhance the learning process, it isn't some vague abstraction created by white liberals to make academia feel good about itself. It does provide for a more interesting and stimulating academic experience.

    -NC

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    Re: Affirmative Action (in college admissions): Good idea or Bad idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by NortheastCynic View Post
    Hey LA,
    The thing with academic institutions is that it is rare (at least at the undergrad level...the following cannot be said for law schools) for, say a black kid with significantly worse scores or a lower GPA to be admitted over a more qualified white kid nowadays. Typically, two candidates with similar scores are compared to each other, one is Laotian the other is white, the Laotian gets the call because he/she provides the schools with greater diversity. With regard to grad schools, I agree with you, largely.

    For what it's worth, diversity does enhance the learning process, it isn't some vague abstraction created by white liberals to make academia feel good about itself. It does provide for a more interesting and stimulating academic experience.

    -NC
    I don't have a problem with that kind of diversity program, that makes sense, during my college tenure it was more of a minority shopping kind of deal where qualifications other than minority status didn't weight as highly, that just isn't good for anyone. And I agree, on par diversity is a good thing.
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    Re: Affirmative Action (in college admissions): Good idea or Bad idea.

    Racism is always a bad idea.

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    Re: Affirmative Action (in college admissions): Good idea or Bad idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by NortheastCynic View Post
    If colleges encourage diversity and utilize a system of 'affirmative action' voluntarily, cool. However, racial quotas or anything similar should not be forced upon them by the government.

    RE Law Schools: This issue is fairly close to my heart as I'll be applying to law schools in just under two years. I'm multi-racial, I know for a fact that several schools will weigh that heavily when considering my application, but they are not being forced to heavily weigh my ethnicity. If they want to accept me due in part to my degree of diversity, that's their choice. Again, I reiterate that they should not be forced to do so.

    -NC

    So, if they volunteer to employ racial discrimination in their admissions, you're happy.

    If you benefit from racism, you're okay with that, but you'll continue to spend your entire life bitching about racism in America, right?

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    Re: Affirmative Action (in college admissions): Good idea or Bad idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by SA
    So, if they volunteer to employ racial discrimination in their admissions, you're happy.
    The admissions process in college is, by definition, discriminatory. Schools discriminate against less qualified candidates and accept more qualified candidates. Schools understand the benefits of a diverse learning environment, therefore it is an asset to diversify the student body. If you'd like to view encouraging diversity as racial discrimination, fine. I don't quite see it that way. It's not as if schools are simply randomly some random some black dude to attend classes. As I said to LA, it's simply a matter of qualified students who add to a diverse environment. If you believe that a white student cannot do that, then I'd suggest looking around a college campus. "Diversity" is not simply a matter of race. Socio-economic factors play largely into the equation. So to suggest that only racial minorities benefit from diversification is simply untrue.

    Quote Originally Posted by SA
    If you benefit from racism, you're okay with that, but you'll continue to spend your entire life bitching about racism in America, right?
    The next time you have a thought about my personal views on race and racism, you'd do better to just let it pass or you risk asking a question as stupid as this.

    -NC
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    Re: Affirmative Action (in college admissions): Good idea or Bad idea.

    The majority of people who benefit from affirmative action getting into colleges are white males.

    The schools have to cut them a lot of slack to keep the colleges 50/50 male female. If all was fair colleges would be about 65% females.

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    Re: Affirmative Action (in college admissions): Good idea or Bad idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    The majority of people who benefit from affirmative action getting into colleges are white males.

    The schools have to cut them a lot of slack to keep the colleges 50/50 male female. If all was fair colleges would be about 65% females.
    AA and various diversification techniques do in fact benefit white men. The impoverished, individuals with unique life stories, ECs, etc. are given the go-ahead. To reduce the programs to race and 'racism' is to ignore reality.

    -NC

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