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    Re: Affirmative Action (in college admissions): Good idea or Bad idea.

    Can anyone explain why the unemployment rate for black teenagers is somewhere along the lines of 40%?

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    Re: Affirmative Action (in college admissions): Good idea or Bad idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Can anyone explain why the unemployment rate for black teenagers is somewhere along the lines of 40%?

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    Why don't you ask the black teenagers? Just be sure to bring your own posse when you do.

    That's not meant to sound racist but how many white gangs do you know of vs how many black gangs?
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    Re: Affirmative Action (in college admissions): Good idea or Bad idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Why don't you ask the black teenagers? Just be sure to bring your own posse when you do.

    That's not meant to sound racist but how many white gangs do you know of vs how many black gangs?
    Are you saying black teenagers would rather join drug gangs instead of working a job?
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    Re: Affirmative Action (in college admissions): Good idea or Bad idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Are you saying black teenagers would rather join drug gangs instead of working a job?
    I have no idea what they would rather do. But look around. How many white gangs are there in the US? How many black gangs are there in the US? There is a corelation here weather you like it or not.
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    Re: Affirmative Action (in college admissions): Good idea or Bad idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Are you saying black teenagers would rather join drug gangs instead of working a job?
    Ill say it because I dont think anyone else will. Some yes. Not all. There are many hard working black teenagers out there but you also have a disproportionate amount of blacks that choose gang life.

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    Re: Affirmative Action (in college admissions): Good idea or Bad idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Are you saying black teenagers would rather join drug gangs instead of working a job?
    In a lot of cases, absolutely. In poor, ghetto neighborhoods, black teenagers have been raised to think that gangs are a natural part of life, that the world owes them a living and that crime is a perfectly acceptable life path. It's no wonder so many end up in gangs, that's the only world they've ever known.

    But of course, middle class black teenagers don't follow that path because they have other alternatives. This isn't a racial issue, it's an economic one.
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    Re: Affirmative Action (in college admissions): Good idea or Bad idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by SA
    I wouldn't promote diversity, it's a bull**** issue.

    I would promote academic excellence.

    It's the guy standing in front of the class that's paid to teach, not the students.
    Then I don't see how much further this conversation can go. If we cannot agree that a school is acting in its best interest in promoting diversity, we have no common ground from which to start.

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    And all that means is the school gets to determine how racist they want to be.
    Again you ignore the full scope of a good diversification program, which, of course, the school would be in charge of.

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    Yes, many times now they also have to have a hispanic name, just to confuse things.
    There's nothing to debate here, if you believe that simply being a minority is sufficient for acceptance into an African American studies program then you are wrong. That's a fact that one may either accept or deny.

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    There's no such thing as a "proper" diversification program, there's only racism.
    Again then, it would appear as though we have no common ground to start from.

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    Evidently you don't understand how Affirmative Action works in the real world.
    Evidently you still don't understand what I am writing. I am fully aware that many universities utilize an unfair AA system that enables underperforming minorities to gain acceptance at the expense of good white students. What you seem not to grasp is my ability to simultaneously and enthusiastically decry the absurdity of such a system while defend a diversification system that does not allow such a travesty to happen.

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    If the applicant isn't academically inferior, there's no need to give him special favors based on his skin color or other silly and equally irrelevant parameters.
    Only if you subscribe to the theory that diversity does not aid learning.

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    Re: Affirmative Action (in college admissions): Good idea or Bad idea.

    I haven no problem with a school promoting diversity. But basing acceptance into the school on race is racism pure and simple.

    Diversity is all well and good. But using it at the expense of brighter students does nothing but promote racism and entitlement.
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    Re: Affirmative Action (in college admissions): Good idea or Bad idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I haven no problem with a school promoting diversity. But basing acceptance into the school on race is racism pure and simple.

    Diversity is all well and good. But using it at the expense of brighter students does nothing but promote racism and entitlement.
    I can understand if you only want AA to have a limited effect on admissions, but you can't have it both ways by promoting diversity AND not basing acceptable intot the school on race.

    Because even if a school has limited amounts of AA, then it is still basing a small amount of the admission proscess on race.

    At the very least, race would need to be one determining factor in admission because I am assuming that by diversity you mean people of different races.

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    Re: Affirmative Action (in college admissions): Good idea or Bad idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post

    But of course, middle class black teenagers don't follow that path because they have other alternatives. This isn't a racial issue, it's an economic one.
    I believe it a social issue among some minorities. Its not just an economic issue.

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