View Poll Results: Should the state allow people to commit suicide?

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  • Yes, the state should allow people to kill themselves.

    35 67.31%
  • No, the state should not allow people to kill themselves.

    6 11.54%
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Thread: Should a person be allowed to commit suicide?

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    Re: Should a person be allowed to commit suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Really separate arguments.

    A person who commits suicide is dead.

    A person who regularly consumes large doses of harmful drugs often spends many years varying between useless and outright dangerous before becoming dead.

    It's like the difference between a suicide and a suicide bomber, in slow motion.
    Unless I'm mistaken, the ultimate rationale for drug laws in this country is that they keep people from killing themselves with drugs. If that is indeed the case, the two arguments are inextricably linked.

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    Re: Should a person be allowed to commit suicide?

    Pretty sure the rationale is closer to keeping people from crippling themselves with drugs. After all, that's expensive and a pain in the ass to clean up. Killing yourself with drugs, at worst, requires a steam cleaner.

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    Re: Should a person be allowed to commit suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH View Post
    Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh good for you (christian bale)

    1 saved out of how many suicides that year?????????????????

    yeah, that is what i thought
    Are you trying to appeal to numbers?
    For real?
    We are talking on whether the state should let people kill themselves or whether it should simply stay away even when it can intervene.

    Oh, and in response to all of the question marks in your post:
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    Re: Should a person be allowed to commit suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    You would make a good politician, you're good at evading questions. If you won't answer my previous question then please answer this one, would you rather have a person be in a mental institute their whole live or let them end their life if they were depressed for a very long time? This isn't a trick question I just want to know your opinion and where you stand on this issue.
    Sorry for delay in answering. Was tired and had to go to bed.

    Here is my answer. The idea that anyone would be forced to live their whole life in a mental institution is to my mind a sin. I would not be surprised that someone treated in this manner would want to commit suicide.

    The problem lies with the help. There is no reason that someone needs to continue living in such depression. We do have the ability to help people.

    I have already said that the issue of whether the person ends their life or not is not in my hands. I would not help someone to kill themselves because I know that healing is possible.

    I personally would have nothing to do with putting anyone into any mental institution against their will.

    I believe in helping people towards self empowerment.

    Hence your example points to a failure of our mental health systems caused no doubt by lack of funds and quality of help. That is where change should be directed.

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    Re: Should a person be allowed to commit suicide?

    You can't really prevent suicide, but my opinion is definitely no. Life is precious.

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    Re: Should a person be allowed to commit suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    With the thousands of possibuilitys that exist as to why a person would want to kill themselfs how do you know it's "a permanent solution to a temporary problem."

    What about a paraplegic who does not want to live paralyzed.

    An 80 year old man who has no family.

    A drug addict who has lost everything and is looking at prison for at least 20 years.

    Not all problems are temporary.
    I was responding specifically to a post regarding treatent-resistance depression, not any other factor that might bring someone to want to end their life.

    I've stated before that I support euthanasia, so after counselling and being made aware of the services avaliable to him, if the man in the first example wished to end his life, I would support him. I would absolutely not support the latter two decisions. The UK has plenty of organisations that provide outreach to the elderly, many of them run by the government: befriending services, programs to help the elderly stay active and make new friends. Loneliness is a problem that can be dealt with by far less radical means than suicide.

    As for your second example, I have friends and relatives whose lives have been torn apart by addiction, so I do sympathise. There needs to be far more access to rehabilation programs in the UK. There are programs avaliable, but the waiting lists are often horrendously long. Saying that, access is expanding all the time, and our Social Service departments are only too eager to assist addicts in getting off drugs and supporting them as they attempt to rebuild their lives.

    I quite frankly really don't understand the reasoning behind your points, AT ALL. The answer to someone feelingas though their life is not worth living shouldn't be "Okay, go kill yourself", but "How can we help? What can we do as a society to solve these problems with you?"

    We as a society have a duty of care to one another, and the idea that we should sanction suicide as opposed to fufilling this duty seems macabre.
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    Re: Should a person be allowed to commit suicide?

    I struggle with this one.

    I believe in "self-ownership" as a political and economic principle. Nor do I believe that it is GovCo's job to safeguard people from their own stupidity or poor choices, at least in general.

    OTOH I believe that life is precious and that most suicides are overreacting to circumstances or depression.

    Yes, I'd try to intervene if someone I cared about was trying to commit suicide.

    I'd also try to intervene if a loved one was ruining their life with drugs (or booze).

    Do I want the state to make suicide, drugs or booze illegal? The former pair already are, of course, but...

    To be fully consistent we'd need to make alcoholism a crime also, since it is a self-destructive behavior. Also smoking, and overeating, and and and...

    I don't like that line of progression... but I'll admit I don't have a good answer to this question.

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    Re: Should a person be allowed to commit suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Do I want the state to make suicide, drugs or booze illegal? The former pair already are, of course, but...

    To be fully consistent we'd need to make alcoholism a crime also, since it is a self-destructive behavior. Also smoking, and overeating, and and and...

    I don't like that line of progression... but I'll admit I don't have a good answer to this question.
    A person that drink alcohol or smokes a cigarette is not doing it because he wants to die.
    A person that hangs himself up or jumps off the roof of a tall building pretty much does it in order to end his life.
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    Re: Should a person be allowed to commit suicide?

    Suicide is an extremely selfish and cowardly act.

    That said, how is it supposed to be punished? The death penalty?

    Punishing attempted suicide will only encourage suicide attempts to be more successful.

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    Re: Should a person be allowed to commit suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Suicide is an extremely selfish and cowardly act.

    That said, how is it supposed to be punished? The death penalty?

    Punishing attempted suicide will only encourage suicide attempts to be more successful.
    I challenge you to show where did I speak about anyone getting punished.

    So many voters here have seemed to take the assumption that the state would punish the person for trying to commit suicide.
    The poll was about whether the state should allow people to suicide or not.
    Should it let people kill themselves or intervene when it can.
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