View Poll Results: Should the state allow people to commit suicide?

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  • Yes, the state should allow people to kill themselves.

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    6 11.54%
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Thread: Should a person be allowed to commit suicide?

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    Re: Should a person be allowed to commit suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    People who are suicidal usually are not suicidal all the time. We really need improvement in our mental health care but don't have it yet.

    The reality is that if someone is determined to kill themsleves they are going to do it but this was previously discussed on an euthanasia thread and that basically seems to be what the question is.

    Is suicide a suitable reason for euthanasia - absolutely not. We have totally failed the person if we do this and are just adding the next hurt - sure it's fine for you to die, you are of no worth.

    I would never help anyone to commit suicide but I also know that if someone is determined to do this they will.

    Of course on the other side, I would never agree with having suicide as a criminal offense.
    You're not listening, my question is: if someone has been suicidal for 10 years would you make them live still? It's a yes or no question.

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    Re: Should a person be allowed to commit suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    You're not listening, my question is: if someone has been suicidal for 10 years would you make them live still? It's a yes or no question.

    You cannot make them still live. They will kill themselves if they are determined. It is up to them not you.

    If you choose to help them then that is you deciding they should die.

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    Re: Should a person be allowed to commit suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    You cannot make them still live. They will kill themselves if they are determined. It is up to them not you.

    If you choose to help them then that is you deciding they should die.
    You still haven't answered the question, yes or no. (and yes you can make them live by putting them in a mental institute).

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    Re: Should a person be allowed to commit suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    You still haven't answered the question, yes or no. (and yes you can make them live by putting them in a mental institute).
    Are you suggesting you know of someone who has been kept in a mental institution for ten years against their will with no freedom of movement at all.

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    Re: Should a person be allowed to commit suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    Are you suggesting you know of someone who has been kept in a mental institution for ten years against their will with no freedom of movement at all.
    Still haven't answered my question...

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    Re: Should a person be allowed to commit suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    Still haven't answered my question...
    I have answered your question. I simply have not given the answer you want. You want yes or no. You want me to take responsibility for whether the person lives or dies by saying they should be forced to live or helped to die.

    I know that when people are determined to commit suicide that is exactly what they do.

    It therefore is not my choice.

    My choice would be to do everything I could to make their life worth living.

    If they choose to kill themselves they would need to do that on their own.

    I do not support euthanasia for depression.

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    Re: Should a person be allowed to commit suicide?

    The issue is too complex for simple answers.

    In most cases, I'd say that the individual in question would be ill, and should be restrained.

    On the other hand, if someone wishes to refuse life-prolonging treatment, I would be more inclined to accept their decision without forceful interference.
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    Re: Should a person be allowed to commit suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    I have answered your question. I simply have not given the answer you want. You want yes or no. You want me to take responsibility for whether the person lives or dies by saying they should be forced to live or helped to die.

    I know that when people are determined to commit suicide that is exactly what they do.

    It therefore is not my choice.

    My choice would be to do everything I could to make their life worth living.

    If they choose to kill themselves they would need to do that on their own.

    I do not support euthanasia for depression.
    You would make a good politician, you're good at evading questions. If you won't answer my previous question then please answer this one, would you rather have a person be in a mental institute their whole live or let them end their life if they were depressed for a very long time? This isn't a trick question I just want to know your opinion and where you stand on this issue.

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    Re: Should a person be allowed to commit suicide?

    i was raised to believe that Suicide was the ultimate sin
    I later decided on my own, with some help by my mom, that Suicide is usually the Most SELFISH act one can commit
    But than, after seeing all the problems in teh world, I really could not give 2 ****s if someone offs themself

    one less thing to worry about

    until this past weekend

    A friend of mine after losing his joke of a job with the county (for drinking on the job) wrecked his personal van under questionable circumstances (full bottle of pills, nobody else involved, no brake marks).
    but hey, **** happens, and he was going through a life change in a horrible economy, when the poor bastard had gone through Bankruptcy last year(the debt restructuring one). But than this weekend the loser drove his motorcycle right, at a high rate of speed, into the concrete wall of a building, again with no brake marks

    The cops who arrived on scene, could not believe he survived (no helmet law in Fl)
    He was medevac'd to the trauma center where the staff told his wife they gave him a 2% chance of surviving, drained the fluids on his brain, and put him on life support. He than chewed through the intubation tube in a yet 3rd suicide attempt. meanwhile his wife, is the widow of his best friend who died of AIDS, and she did not abandon that guy, so i do not see her abandoning this douche. Sweet to a fault IMO, despite being an biker/stripper/lived the hard life until their 50's, because she is ****ed with a an upside down house payment, that she has no possible way of keeping up, on a barely above minimum wage job, plus 2 0f the assets they were paying restructured financing on, are completely destroyed

    For the sake of the wife, and because he has turned out to be a selfish prick and saddled his abused wife with this situation, I would much prefer he just die. Doctors are doing all they can do to save him, but without the will to survive, I do not see him making it.

    And why should they waste the expenses/resources.
    he wants out, let him have it. his spine is broke in multiple places, and he is fighting the drs' at every turn despite being barely conscious

    somebody else committing suicide has no bearing on me and my life, provide we are not related/associated
    in this case his wife, who will not 'abandon him,'' would be better off if the selfish prick just died

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    Re: Should a person be allowed to commit suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    So you want people to suffer through life?
    Where did I say that? I said that I wanted people to be able to utilise the treatments on offer for depression, which are numerous and varied. I don't belive any case of depression is inncurable, nor do I believe anyone should have to be in the position where they feel that all continued life will bring is pain. There are always new things to try to make life better.
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