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    Re: Should a person be allowed to commit suicide?

    Making suicide illegal/legal wont do anything at all because there really would be nobody to punish...but I would not advocate suicide as the best option, and if I saw somebody about to jump off a bridge I would try to stop them and talk to them but legality doesn't matter really.

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    Re: Should a person be allowed to commit suicide?

    I would do everything in my power to stop someone i knew committing suicide (false for terminal diseases), if i was involved with them. And even if i didnt know them. Suicide shouldnt be encouraged but outlawing it, i dont know. Im not too sure yet. Perhaps it should stay as it now stands. But theres always a way out to achieve happiness, despite your circumstances, and i truly believe with my heart that is true so its unfortunate if people cannot see that.
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    Re: Should a person be allowed to commit suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anima View Post
    No. Absolutely not. I'm shocked the question was even asked.

    People dealing with suicidal ideations are not in any fit state to make decisions like that. Help and support should be offered to such people, not a blanket approval of their needless death. The UK requires that anyone who poses a danger to themselves or others be Sectioned underthe Mental Health Act for treatment, and I support this completely.
    What if a person was depressed for years and years and hated their life? Would you be that selfish and let them continue hating their life. I would try to help too but if the help doesn't work I wouldn't be selfish.

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    Re: Should a person be allowed to commit suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    I would do everything in my power to stop someone i knew committing suicide (false for terminal diseases), if i was involved with them. And even if i didnt know them. Suicide shouldnt be encouraged but outlawing it, i dont know. Im not too sure yet. Perhaps it should stay as it now stands. But theres always a way out to achieve happiness, despite your circumstances, and i truly believe with my heart that is true so its unfortunate if people cannot see that.
    Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it should be made a criminal offence. I'm not saying it should be outawed in the sense that attemting suicides leads to charges. I support the UK's model of dealing with attempted suicide. It's not a crime, but it will lead to you being detained in hospital for treatment. I assumed this was the case in the US, too.
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    Re: Should a person be allowed to commit suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    In response to the conversation in the Law and Order forum;
    Do you believe that the state should allow people to kill themselves if they wish to?
    Yes.However that is only if that person can do it themselves, in other words no help from anyone else.

    And another question, if one of your closest friends was about to commit suicide, would you stop him/her from doing so?
    Yes I would try to stop that person from committing suicide.If that person is a close friend then obviously I value that person's life and I wouldn't want that person killing themselves.


    I think suicide is one of the most stupid and selfish things someone can do. There is always someone more miserable than you are and yet they choose not to flush their life down the toilet. There are people all over the world starving,suffering from incurable disease but yet they choose to carry one. Some it seems idiotic and selfish for someone over here in this country to commit suicide. It is a stupid choice,especially if you are a atheist,religious but believe you will go to hell for it or religious but do not believe in a afterlife.
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    Re: Should a person be allowed to commit suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    What if a person was depressed for years and years and hated their life? Would you be that selfish and let them continue hating their life. I would try to help too but if the help doesn't work I wouldn't be selfish.
    How is it selfish to think people should be of sound mind when they make decisions like this? And no, I wouldn't support suicide for those sufering from mental illness. I think it's a horible idea, espicially when there are so many treatment options to try and so many therapies and services avaliable to assisst those of us who suffer from mental illness torecover and learn to manage our conditions.

    And in the interests of full disclosure, I say this as someone who has suffered from depression for 8 years, and only found effective treatments 9 months ago. I'd now consider myself recovered. There's always hope.
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    Re: Should a person be allowed to commit suicide?

    Seriously, i heard in Texas attempted suicide is punishable by death (you get the chair). Texans, is this true?
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    Re: Should a person be allowed to commit suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anima View Post
    How is it selfish to think people should be of sound mind when they make decisions like this? And no, I wouldn't support suicide for those sufering from mental illness. I think it's a horible idea, espicially when there are so many treatment options to try and so many therapies and services avaliable to assisst those of us who suffer from mental illness torecover and learn to manage our conditions.

    And in the interests of full disclosure, I say this as someone who has suffered from depression for 8 years, and only found effective treatments 9 months ago. I'd now consider myself recovered. There's always hope.
    So you want people to suffer through life?

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    Re: Should a person be allowed to commit suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    What if a person was depressed for years and years and hated their life? Would you be that selfish and let them continue hating their life. I would try to help too but if the help doesn't work I wouldn't be selfish.
    Well, I had a friend once that I've known since high school.
    She was sort of a close friend I could tell my secrets to and always count on her to know the best solution for my problems.
    She always seemed to be so happy and I always thought that her life must be so perfect.
    She studied law in my university and I'd always find her chatting with another person, she was never alone.

    This friend of mine has gone into a rough time in her life when she got pregnant from one of her one-night affairs, and had to quit the studies and take care of the baby all by herself.
    Her mother died a few days after the baby was born and there was no one to support her, so I began visiting her more often and started helping her when I could.
    I was surprised to see how strong she was, taking care of a baby all by herself and not showing a sign of weakness through the harsh times she's going through.
    She became an inspiration for me.

    One evening when I came by her house on my way back home, I decided to come over and say hello, so I climbed the stairs up to her house in the building she was living in.
    I found her sitting on one of the stairs near the entrance to her house, crying.
    I asked her what happened, I didn't know what to expect really, I think it was the first time I saw her crying.
    She looked at me, tears flowing from her eyes, and all she was able to say was "I gave the baby away".
    Apparently, she couldn't fulfill the baby's needs any longer, and she had to give her away to the government.
    I told her that she could come to my house if she wanted to, didn't know really how to reply to such a thing.
    She turned the offer down and smiled for a moment, saying that everything is going to be fine.
    I smiled back to her and left.

    One night, a few days after the last time I've seen her crying on the stairs, she came by to my house without a notice, she was crying again.
    She told me she can't live on anymore and that she couldn't fall asleep because she thought about ending her life.
    I tried to calm her down and tell her stuff people usually tell in those situations.
    "You're young, you still have got all life in front of you", "You're strong, you'll get over it" etc.
    She stayed in my house the same day and later on left back to her house.
    I thought by that time that I should take this issue to the authorities and let them take care of her, but I still had the feeling that I could fix it by myself, and that I could do a better work than the authorities would.
    I was coming over to her house three times a week for 2 months after that.
    As time went on she seemed to be doing better, and it gave me the feeling that I've succeeded, so I gradually started to be seeing her less and less.

    About 3 months later, when I haven't seen her for 2 weeks, I thought I'd call to check how she's doing.
    Nobody has answered me, so I hanged up and went back to my business.
    A day later, the owner of her house (she has rented the house) has found her dead in her unlocked house, after she, apparently, has not payed her rental fee for quite a long time, and didn't answer any of his calls.
    She has hanged herself up in her room, leaving a simple note saying that she couldn't take it anymore and that she's sorry.

    I couldn't help it but to be shocked when her brother had told me about it, I'd never think that such a strong woman could actually give up on her own life.
    I blamed myself for a whole year saying that I should have gone to the authorities when she told me she thinks about comitting suicide, and I still do, to some level, even though it happened over 3 years ago.

    I believe that a person that is willing to give up on his own life is not a person in a mental state to be making smart decisions.
    The authorities are capable of giving support, perhaps even a 24/7 support, to the person in need.
    There is no reason in the world why the authorities wouldn't intervene, even when the person is unwilling, and prevent the person from doing such a stupid and unnecessary thing such as taking his own life away.
    Last edited by Apocalypse; 07-24-09 at 06:20 PM.
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    Re: Should a person be allowed to commit suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    What if a person was depressed for years and years and hated their life? Would you be that selfish and let them continue hating their life. I would try to help too but if the help doesn't work I wouldn't be selfish.
    People who are suicidal usually are not suicidal all the time. We really need improvement in our mental health care but don't have it yet.

    The reality is that if someone is determined to kill themsleves they are going to do it but this was previously discussed on an euthanasia thread and that basically seems to be what the question is.

    Is suicide a suitable reason for euthanasia - absolutely not. We have totally failed the person if we do this and are just adding the next hurt - sure it's fine for you to die, you are of no worth.

    I would never help anyone to commit suicide but I also know that if someone is determined to do this they will.

    Of course on the other side, I would never agree with having suicide as a criminal offense.

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