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Are you in favor of vouchers for children to attend private schools? (high/grammar)

Do you support school vouchers for public school children to attend private schools?

  • Yes. I generally support any voucher program.

    Votes: 17 47.2%
  • Yes, but only if the funds come from private programs, not government.

    Votes: 3 8.3%
  • Yes, but only if the students are smart enough.

    Votes: 2 5.6%
  • Yes, if the conditions under options 2 AND 3 are met.

    Votes: 1 2.8%
  • No. I generally do not support any voucher program.

    Votes: 13 36.1%

  • Total voters
    36
Re: Are you in favor of vouchers for children to attend private schools? (high/gramma

That's really nothing more than a lie used by right-wing groups to get tax breaks for people who choose to send their children to religious private schools.



The real motivation behind the ploy is simply an advancement of the religious right's agenda to bring religion into the secular governmental sphere.
I don't think so. If the parents want to send their children to private schools then what is the problem? I have heard this argument before, and it is very typical and not very factual. How is giving poor families the choice to attend private school bringing religion into government?

We have freedom of religion, and vouchers do not force anyone to adopt a religion. Neither do religious private schools. How does attending a private school make the government more religious? And for the record, 80% of the students at my private school passed the AP United States History exam, compared to a national average of about 40%. (The AP Exams are conducted by collegeboard, not exactly a conservative organization. One year a question was asked about Reagan, and the answer "He reduced unemployment" was considered a false answer. Yet us religious, conservative, indoctrinated kids passed that test better than the public schools. Hm.)

A Voucher program would not likely help anyone get into private schools except perhaps those on the border that would like to send their kids to these schools but can't afford it.
Well yes, I do believe that is the point of voucher programs, helping people who can't afford private schooling get it if they want it. Nobody is being forced.

Who are the ones who carry the banner of the voucher system?
(I'll even give you a clue...it isn't the non-religious private schools)
That is such a fallacy. Simply being religious does not mean that everything you do is intended to indoctrinate everyone else. You need some REAL proof. I could say "Since democrats are the ones defending Obama about his birth palce, he isn't a citizen. Just look at who is defending him!" It isn't logical. Try again.
 
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Re: Are you in favor of vouchers for children to attend private schools? (high/gramma

Simple. Ask yourself this question:
Who are the ones who carry the banner of the voucher system?
(I'll even give you a clue...it isn't the non-religious private schools)
You were asked for a proof.

Technically, a question cannot be presented as a proof.

I say this to help you avoid future embarrassment.
 
Re: Are you in favor of vouchers for children to attend private schools? (high/gramma

Yes I do support voucher programs. Tax payer money pays for public education.Therefore parents should be reimbursed the cost of education if they wish to send their child to a private school. Why should any parent be told to **** off if they want to use that money that is usually taken out for public education be spent on private education. If you pay for something that is usually funded with tax payer dollars you should be reimbursed for it,sure there are some exceptions to that,for example you shouldn't be fully reimbursed if you decide to send your child to the most expensive private school on the planet.

This would make sense if each family was a self-contained unit and didn't need any help from society. Even if you never have kids, it is in your best interest that all children are well educated. With your logic if I don't own a car I shouldn't have to pay the taxes that go to taking care of the roads.
 
Re: Are you in favor of vouchers for children to attend private schools? (high/gramma

I'm confused by what you mean. There are already special private schools for the handicapped and other special-needs students. Not all private schools are focused on "rejecting" all but the best students.

I don't see how this would mean there was less money per student. Yes, some money that was devoted toward public schools would instead go toward vouchers...but there would also be fewer students for the public schools to worry about.

Private schools that cater to special needs students are extremely expensive. If a voucher program was instated, most of the students left in the public school would be the ones with behavior or learning problems, kids who are to poor to afford private school even with a voucher, and kids whose parents couldn't be bothered to go through the application process for a private school.

And yes, the public school would have fewer students and that would cut costs a little but not enough to make up for the money lost to vouchers. If you have a teacher teaching a class of 30 students and 10 of those kids leave for private school, you still need the teacher for the 20. Also, those kids still need lights, computers, textbooks, heat, food, etc.

Comparing public to private school education is not a fair comparison. When doing standardized testing, public schools test everyone from the most gifted accomplished student to the lowest functioning student in the building. Also public schools accept everyone while private schools are free to reject students with learning or behavior problems.
 
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Re: Are you in favor of vouchers for children to attend private schools? (high/gramma

This would make sense if each family was a self-contained unit and didn't need any help from society. Even if you never have kids, it is in your best interest that all children are well educated.


You were educated and someone paid for you education regardless if you went to public or private school.If a school is failing why should you pay for that failing school?Since it is in the best interest of the child why not have vouchers which in a sense do not force the parents to waste money on a failing school? The money is being used for the same service,its not like we said hey lets take that money and used it for something completely different.
With your logic if I don't own a car I shouldn't have to pay the taxes that go to taking care of the roads.

Do you buy groceries,clothes, and other things? Do you think those things were carried on foot to the stores you shop at?
 
Re: Are you in favor of vouchers for children to attend private schools? (high/gramma

You were educated and someone paid for you education regardless if you went to public or private school.If a school is failing why should you pay for that failing school?Since it is in the best interest of the child why not have vouchers which in a sense do not force the parents to waste money on a failing school? The money is being used for the same service,its not like we said hey lets take that money and used it for something completely different.

It is in the best interest of the child to fix the public school. In the case a failing public school a voucher program might help some students but it will abandon many others. Those abandoned students are the ones we will most likely be supporting later.
Do you buy groceries,clothes, and other things? Do you think those things were carried on foot to the stores you shop at?

Of course the roads were used to bring these necessary things. The public schools were also used to educate the people who made and transported these items. That is my point. As a society we are benefit or suffer according to how the next generation is educated.
 
Re: Are you in favor of vouchers for children to attend private schools? (high/gramma

It is in the best interest of the child to fix the public school. In the case a failing public school a voucher program might help some students but it will abandon many others. Those abandoned students are the ones we will most likely be supporting later.

Vouchers don't have to abandon anyone. I would support allowing ALL students to use vouchers, instead of just a select few.
 
Re: Are you in favor of vouchers for children to attend private schools? (high/gramma

Vouchers don't have to abandon anyone. I would support allowing ALL students to use vouchers, instead of just a select few.

Here are the reasons that won't work:
1. Unless the voucher was for enough money to pay for any private school including books, school supplies, uniform, etc., (which I don't think is the intention) some students will not be able to afford a private school.

2. Going to private school requires some sort of application process. Sometimes this process can be quite extensive. Sadly, there are parents who would not go to the trouble so those children will remain in public schools.

3. Private schools have the luxury to reject students who have learning or behavior problems (hence their higher test scores). Most of these students will remain in the public schools.

4. Private schools are also able to reject students to keep their class sizes small. What happens when all the private schools in the area are full?
 
Re: Are you in favor of vouchers for children to attend private schools? (high/gramma

You were asked for a proof.

Technically, a question cannot be presented as a proof.

I say this to help you avoid future embarrassment.

I'm not embarrassed at all. If you are being intellectually honest you would see that the ones carrying the banner for vouchers are the right-wing evangelicals and other christian based schools. That alone should tell you something about the honest and true motivation.
 
Re: Are you in favor of vouchers for children to attend private schools? (high/gramma

You were educated and someone paid for you education regardless if you went to public or private school.If a school is failing why should you pay for that failing school?Since it is in the best interest of the child why not have vouchers which in a sense do not force the parents to waste money on a failing school? The money is being used for the same service,its not like we said hey lets take that money and used it for something completely different.


Do you buy groceries,clothes, and other things? Do you think those things were carried on foot to the stores you shop at?

Since I don't have children, Can I stop supporting the school system with my taxes?
 
Re: Are you in favor of vouchers for children to attend private schools? (high/gramma

The only way I would support vouchers is under the following circumstances: Any school that accepted them would be required to accept all students who applied on a first come, first serve, basis. Alternatively, schools could opt for an entirely random acceptance process, facilitated by a government agency charged with performing the task. The schools should also not be allowed to charge any additional money aside from the voucher. Finally, 'public' schools should also be required to entirely fund their operations from vouchers.

This way, the private schools would be forced to address the very same problems that public schools are forced to endure. It would also be harder to segregate students based on economic stature. The requirement that public schools would also have to fund their operations with the same mechanism would help ensure that government would fully fund the voucher system.

Only under these circumstances would the competition be most fairly played: Schools would be forced to all deal with the same problems, overcome them, and still provide a quality education.

In turn, I would have no problem allowing parents to choose religious schools that teach adequate skills in science, and the ability to think scientifically. If they also want to teach them how to ignore such solid thinking in favor of believing what people say (or write) without any evidence whatsoever, have at it. If the science is truly taught well, it will win out.

Of course, if any school didn't like these conditions, they would be welcome to reject them and go about their business of charging whatever they like, teaching whatever they like, and accepting/rejecting whoever they like. They would just have to do it without public money.
 
Re: Are you in favor of vouchers for children to attend private schools? (high/gramma

Our kids are the dumbest in the industrialized West because the leftists have had control over the education system for a very very long time. Teacher's unions have essentially destroyed the ed system in this country.

Liberalism is a mental disorder and it is killing this country.

So yes, I support school choice.
 
Re: Are you in favor of vouchers for children to attend private schools? (high/gramma

This seems like quite a stretch for me, or anyone, to believe. Do you have any proof of your accusation?

These quotes, typical religious right rhetoric, give some indication.

Quotes about Public Schools by The Religious Right

Our purpose must be to spread the gospel on the new mission field that the Lord has opened--public high schools....Yes, the so-called `wall of separation' between church and state has begun to crumble." -- Jay Alan Sekulow, American Center for Law and Justice, CASEBulletin, July, 1990

"One day, I hope in the next ten years, I trust that we will have more Christian day schools than there are public schools. I hope I will live to see the day when, as in the early days of our country, we won't have any public schools. The churches will have taken over them over again and Christians will be running them. What a happy day that will be!" -- Jerry Falwell, America Can Be Saved, 1979

"The Supreme Court of the supposedly Christian United States guaranteed the moral collapse of this nation when it forbade children in the public schools to pray to the God of Jacob, to learn of His moral law or even view in their classrooms the heart of the law, the Ten Commandments, which children must obey for their own good or disobey at their peril." -- Pat Robertson, The New World Order, 1991

"The public school system is damned. Let me tell you how radical I am. Christian students should be in Christian schools. If you have to sell your car, live in a smaller house, or work a night job, put your child in Christian schools. If you can't afford it homeschool." -- Jerry Falwell, "Trends in Christian Higher Education," Regent University, 9/22/93

"f Christians are charged with exercising dominion in all spheres of life (Gen. 2:26-28), to abandon public education to Satan is to compromise our calling. The attitude and approach of Christians should be that they never expose their children to public education, but that they should work increasingly to expose public education to the claims of Christ. Certain specially suited Christians, in fact, should pray and work tirelessly to obtain teaching and school board and even administrative posts within public education. The penultimate goal of these Christians should be the privatization of these larcenous institutions, and the ultimate aim the bringing of them under the authority of Christ and His word." -- Rev. Andrew Sandlin, Chalcedon Report, March, 1994

"The Christian community has a golden opportunity to train an army of dedicated teachers who can invade the public school classrooms and use them to influence the nation for Christ." -- D. James Kennedy, "Education: Public Problems and Private Solutions," Coral Ridge Ministries, 1993

"We are a great threat to public schools. We may have to get rid of them." -- Robert Simonds, CEE, speech, 3/6/93, Glen Mills, PA

"Those who control the access to the minds of children will set the agenda for the future of the nation and the future of the western world." -- James Dobson, quoted in PFAW's FOF
 
Re: Are you in favor of vouchers for children to attend private schools? (high/gramma

Yes, I support vouchers, because I went to school and so I learned about the theory of evolution. Progress comes through the combination of variation and selection, any other progress is dependent upon the people in place to make the decisions making all of the right decisions all of the time (which experience shows that this is almost always an unreasonable expectation). You get better schools through allowing choice.

There is no evidence for this.

And the argument that through funding religious education is absurd. Whether or not parents want their kids' education to be religious is a matter of personal freedom, and our decision to subsidize education cannot undermine that freedom due to the free exercise clause. It's much harder to argue that school vouchers violates the establishment clause than it is to argue that public schools without any means of school choice violates the free exercise clause (primarily because the current system does violate the free exercise clause and a system of school vouchers does not violate the establishment clause).
If we accept that argument as valid, then the stimulus was unconstitutional because people could potentially donate their tax refunds to churches.

Public education does nothing to interfere with parents choosing religious schools, they are perfectly free to do so, but they should not expect to have it paid for with public funding. All people DO have the choice of religious schools.
 
Re: Are you in favor of vouchers for children to attend private schools? (high/gramma

The only way I would support vouchers is under the following circumstances: Any school that accepted them would be required to accept all students who applied on a first come, first serve, basis. Alternatively, schools could opt for an entirely random acceptance process, facilitated by a government agency charged with performing the task. The schools should also not be allowed to charge any additional money aside from the voucher. Finally, 'public' schools should also be required to entirely fund their operations from vouchers.

Would that include juvenile delinquents that cause a lot of problems in the government schools? What about the schools that use a particular philosophy like the Montessori, or schools that have a stronger emphasis on the liberal arts, or those who are gender specific. And what would a government instituted placement would put on those types? the idea both the government schools and the private schools only use voucher money seems fair though the funding for the government schools are a bit more complex so i do not know if that would be possible.

This way, the private schools would be forced to address the very same problems that public schools are forced to endure. It would also be harder to segregate students based on economic stature. The requirement that public schools would also have to fund their operations with the same mechanism would help ensure that government would fully fund the voucher system.

Do you mean unfunded mandates by the Federal and State governments? Or the Teachers Unions that go well beyond their proper purpose of representing the teachers interest in getting compensated for their work?

Only under these circumstances would the competition be most fairly played: Schools would be forced to all deal with the same problems, overcome them, and still provide a quality education.

How about having the private schools attend the students specific strengths and needs? How about a boot camp style for those trouble makers mentioned earlier and a fine arts based school with those students with that particular strength? The idea is not to simply make a private based copy of the government schools but to find better solutions and more importantly more specific solutions for students as individuals and not a one size fits all format.

In turn, I would have no problem allowing parents to choose religious schools that teach adequate skills in science, and the ability to think scientifically. If they also want to teach them how to ignore such solid thinking in favor of believing what people say (or write) without any evidence whatsoever, have at it. If the science is truly taught well, it will win out.

The educational requirement of teaching science for the voucher sound good but in general the government schools do a poor job of doing so. Science is not a bunch of facts but a process in getting information and they most certainly do not teach that well.

Of course, if any school didn't like these conditions, they would be welcome to reject them and go about their business of charging whatever they like, teaching whatever they like, and accepting/rejecting whoever they like. They would just have to do it without public money.

In other words the private school would have to be a near clone to the government school to be acceptable. The government school system is a failure in general and you want to continue the confiscation thru tax to continue it. The time has come to try something else a voucher system would be a good compromise to a only government solution to one with only private or religious schools.
 
Re: Are you in favor of vouchers for children to attend private schools? (high/gramma

It can be said that there is a rational interest in pursuing the existence of equality of opportunity, and the establishment of voucher programs typically act contrary to that goal, as affirmed by examination of the empirical literature. For instance, examination of Levin's Educational Vouchers: Effectiveness, Choice, and Costs makes the point well. Consider the abstract:

Most of the policy discussion on the effects of educational vouchers has been premised on theoretical or ideological positions rather than evidence. This article analyzes a substantial body of recent empirical evidence on achievement differences between public and private schools; on who chooses and its probable impact on educational equity; and on the comparative costs of public and private schools and an overall voucher system. The findings indicate that: (1) results among numerous studies suggest no difference or only a slight advantage for private schools over public schools in student achievement for a given student, but evidence of substantially higher rates of graduation, college attendance, and college graduation for Catholic high school students; (2) evidence is consistent that educational choice leads to greater socioeconomic (SES) and racial segregation of students; and (3) evidence does not support the contention that costs of private schools are considerably lower than those of public schools, but the costs of an overall voucher infrastructure appear to exceed those of the present system.

Now, there are far deeper and more critical deficiencies in the school system and presently existing "education" as a whole related to their inability to foster appropriate intellectual development, but that's my comment on vouchers, for what it's worth. :shrug:
 
Re: Are you in favor of vouchers for children to attend private schools? (high/gramma

Josef Stalin Quote

"Education is a weapon, whose effect depends on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed."
 
Re: Are you in favor of vouchers for children to attend private schools? (high/gramma

Sadly, there are parents who would not go to the trouble so those children will remain in public schools.
That's the parents own fault. If they really cared about their children, they would go through the application process. If they don't, there is nothing any school can do. That is a terrible argument. Parents not caring does not mean that a voucher system wont work. I think there are enough parents that care about their children enough to go through that process. You have to work for things. You can't always expect the government to just give you free handouts. That is called a nanny state, and your line of logic seems to be tied to that.

So you think freedom and choice are good so long as people don't choose anything you're personally morally averse to?
Its true. People choose to be around people who they see as "more like them". Not because they are racist, but because they are more comfortable.
 
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Re: Are you in favor of vouchers for children to attend private schools? (high/gramma

Someone earlier said that there should be the separation of church and education. I think the concept behind that thought is a good one, but I don't know if it will really work. There will always be needy people who MUST have an education in this society if they are to have any hope at advancing. If they are poor AND stupid they will be stuck on welfare forever, and we don't want that.

What I think should have been done instead of private schools is this:

Instead of creating a government run education system, use vouchers for ALL the poor who can't afford school to attend private schools. That way, only those who truly cannot afford education can get it. Those who really don't need any help from government can pay themselves. It would surely bring costs down I would think. But I don't know how practical that idea is. It's just a thought I had.
 
Re: Are you in favor of vouchers for children to attend private schools? (high/gramma

I thought you were a libertarian. You're fine with the state forcing integration when people do not do so freely? I mean, as harsh as it is, people tend to choose to be around people of their own race. I have never seen a city that has significant populations of multiple races that isn't clearly segregated, where you couldn't clearly identify the lines between black neighborhoods and white neighborhoods.

So you think freedom and choice are good so long as people don't choose anything you're personally morally averse to?

It's a matter of facilitation of equality of opportunity (and therefore alleviating the more authoritarian elements of the capitalist labor market by strengthening the bargaining position of the working class). Forced racial integration isn't precisely the purpose or the major means necessary to that goal; it's merely a matter of not taking proactive measures that would exacerbate existing segregation.
 
Re: Are you in favor of vouchers for children to attend private schools? (high/gramma

Allowing kids and their parents choice in the school they attend exacerbates existing segregation?

First of all, it's a matter of parental choice, not student choice, which I have other objections to aside from the matter of exacerbation of inequality of opportunity.

That's premised upon the base being the status quo of pressured attendance to public schools. You wanna talk about authoritarian, you've got the vast majority of poor kids being economically pressured into attending public schools to facilitate the funding source of the teachers union. It's well funded powerful political interests using the government to steal from the poor, how in the hell can you support it? Because people in general aren't as racially progressive as they claim to be?

I don't know where you got that idea. While such unions are problematic and ultimately anti-progressive, it would ultimately be a greater imposition of authoritarianism were rampant inequality of opportunity not challenged. When you incorporate the additional facts that "results among numerous studies suggest no difference or only a slight advantage for private schools over public schools in student achievement for a given student" and "evidence does not support the contention that costs of private schools are considerably lower than those of public schools, but the costs of an overall voucher infrastructure appear to exceed those of the present system," there's of course even stronger justifications against voucher programs.
 
Re: Are you in favor of vouchers for children to attend private schools? (high/gramma

That's the parents own fault. If they really cared about their children, they would go through the application process. If they don't, there is nothing any school can do. That is a terrible argument. Parents not caring does not mean that a voucher system wont work. I think there are enough parents that care about their children enough to go through that process. You have to work for things. You can't always expect the government to just give you free handouts. That is called a nanny state, and your line of logic seems to be tied to that.

This was not my only argument against vouchers, however it is a valid one. My point, that you seemed to miss, is that these students of uncaring parents will be abandoned at the failing public school. Public schools deal with kids whose parents don't care all the time. The teachers there go out of their way to help those students because they know that the school is the safest place the child is all day. It would be very unlikely for this kind of student to find his or her way to a quality private school. Therefore, this child now finds himself at a failing public school that is even more underfunded. As I said before, sadly it is very likely we'll be supporting this student throughout his adult life.
 
Re: Are you in favor of vouchers for children to attend private schools? (high/gramma

NO. 1. There is no evidence that private schools perform better than public schools.
2. Since 95% of private schools are sectarian, it is basically a way to fund church schools with public money.
3. The government will still have to fund public schools for all the students the private schools reject, the private school rejected students are usually the more expensive to educate, the handicapped, the special-needs students, and they will have to do it with less money per student.
A few things I see as possible, if private schools take "on the fence" children, that is, kids who are bright and have a good shot at a successful future but are in a school that is failing them maybe sending them to a better school is a preferrable option, whether it be a public, magnet, gifted, or private school. Also, if a secular school should open with a pure education model, a voucher system could send those children there in lieu of a sectarian school and the child would still be served, this would also enable the secular school to remain open and fulfill enrollment goals, thus we would have a better school for those that may not be Catholic, Baptist, Christian other, etc. and the best and brightest children would have a chance at a better education. Just my 2 cents.
 
Re: Are you in favor of vouchers for children to attend private schools? (high/gramma

This was not my only argument against vouchers, however it is a valid one. My point, that you seemed to miss, is that these students of uncaring parents will be abandoned at the failing public school. Public schools deal with kids whose parents don't care all the time. The teachers there go out of their way to help those students because they know that the school is the safest place the child is all day. It would be very unlikely for this kind of student to find his or her way to a quality private school. Therefore, this child now finds himself at a failing public school that is even more underfunded. As I said before, sadly it is very likely we'll be supporting this student throughout his adult life.
I understand your point, and the main problem behind it is what I said. Why will the kids be abandoned? Because the parents don't care. "Because the parents don't care" is really not a strong argument. What about those students with parents who do care? Why should they be left at a public school and lose their opportunity because some students have parents who don't care? It simply isn't right. And if that child had uncaring parents, if there was a voucher program or not he would still be at the same school and would still have the same outcome. That last sentence of yours really doesn't make any sense. With or without vouchers it would be like that.

You are basically arguing that since not every single student will be able to go to private school from a public school, none should. And I don't think that is right at all. It doesn't have to be 10 kids from every class (which I doubt it would). It could be 1 or 2. Nobody is arguing that we take so many kids out of public schools that they are crippled and underfunded (which doesn't make sense because all tax payers pay for public school, so the funds will stay roughly the same...)
 
Re: Are you in favor of vouchers for children to attend private schools? (high/gramma

Would that include juvenile delinquents that cause a lot of problems in the government schools?
Yes, they would have to accept any student the public schools are required to accept.

What about the schools that use a particular philosophy like the Montessori, or schools that have a stronger emphasis on the liberal arts, or those who are gender specific.
What about them? Let them teach using whatever philosophy they wish, Let them teach whatever emphasis they wish. As for gender specific, I have no objection, just make them accept people from the gender on a first come first serve basis.

And what would a government instituted placement would put on those types?
The only effect is that they would have to deal with the difficult students. If the school is going to be publicly funded, then it must address the issue of educating difficult students.


Do you mean unfunded mandates by the Federal and State governments?
In some cases, yes.

Or the Teachers Unions that go well beyond their proper purpose of representing the teachers interest in getting compensated for their work?
No, I do not think that private schools should have to deal with a Union if their school has not been unionized. However, I think I might require a private school to only hire teachers with teaching credentials... that is, if they want to accept vouchers.


How about having the private schools attend the students specific strengths and needs?
There is room for that in the system I have described.

How about a boot camp style for those trouble makers mentioned earlier and a fine arts based school with those students with that particular strength? The idea is not to simply make a private based copy of the government schools but to find better solutions and more importantly more specific solutions for students as individuals and not a one size fits all format.
The schools that are not teaching well aren't failing at this task due to not being specialized enough. It is mostly due to the fact that they have to deal with problems epidemic in our broader society. Requiring private schools to have to address those problems too would help prevent society from shoving those broader problems under our collective rug.

The day we forget completely that we are all in this together will be the day just prior to our complete failure as a society, and deservedly so, in my view.


The educational requirement of teaching science for the voucher sound good but in general the government schools do a poor job of doing so.
Perhaps. But, my recommendation would help that situation in any event.


In other words the private school would have to be a near clone to the government school to be acceptable.
Nope, that's not what I said at all. I am, however, preventing public money from going to schools that would refuse to do their part in meeting society's goal of educating ALL of the populace.


... you want to continue the confiscation thru tax to continue it.
Yes, I want to continue the 'confiscation of tax' for all sorts of things, like national defense, the FDA, student grant/loan programs, etc. etc. If YOU don't want to live in a society, then go someplace where there isn't one, like... Somalia. I am fairly certain you could completely avoid paying taxes there... however, your next door neighbor might take your stuff from you. But, hey, at least you wouldn't have the guv'ment pushing you around and taking your money.


The time has come to try something else a voucher system would be a good compromise to a only government solution to one with only private or religious schools.
An unregulated voucher system would not be a compromise.
 
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