View Poll Results: Do you support school vouchers for public school children to attend private schools?

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  • Yes. I generally support any voucher program.

    21 45.65%
  • Yes, but only if the funds come from private programs, not government.

    3 6.52%
  • Yes, but only if the students are smart enough.

    3 6.52%
  • Yes, if the conditions under options 2 AND 3 are met.

    2 4.35%
  • No. I generally do not support any voucher program.

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Thread: Are you in favor of vouchers for children to attend private schools? (high/grammar)

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    Re: Are you in favor of vouchers for children to attend private schools? (high/gramma

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    A voucher program would basically give money to poorer families to attend private schools. Do you support an idea like this? I am still on the fence about it.
    That's really nothing more than a lie used by right-wing groups to get tax breaks for people who choose to send their children to religious private schools.

    A Voucher program would not likely help anyone get into private schools except perhaps those on the border that would like to send their kids to these schools but can't afford it.

    The real motivation behind the ploy is simply an advancement of the religious right's agenda to bring religion into the secular governmental sphere.
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    Re: Are you in favor of vouchers for children to attend private schools? (high/gramma

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Yes I do support voucher programs. Tax payer money pays for public education.Therefore parents should be reimbursed the cost of education if they wish to send their child to a private school. Why should any parent be told to **** off if they want to use that money that is usually taken out for public education be spent on private education. If you pay for something that is usually funded with tax payer dollars you should be reimbursed for it,sure there are some exceptions to that,for example you shouldn't be fully reimbursed if you decide to send your child to the most expensive private school on the planet.

    So if I have no children at all, then I shouldn't pay any taxes funding education right?

    The reality is, I have no children but gladly pay taxes into an educational system because in the end an educated society benefits us all.
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    Re: Are you in favor of vouchers for children to attend private schools? (high/gramma

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    That's really nothing more than a lie used by right-wing groups to get tax breaks for people who choose to send their children to religious private schools.

    A Voucher program would not likely help anyone get into private schools except perhaps those on the border that would like to send their kids to these schools but can't afford it.

    The real motivation behind the ploy is simply an advancement of the religious right's agenda to bring religion into the secular governmental sphere.
    This seems like quite a stretch for me, or anyone, to believe. Do you have any proof of your accusation?
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    Re: Are you in favor of vouchers for children to attend private schools? (high/gramma

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe1991 View Post
    I experienced zero indoctrination in public schools (unless that's what you consider science and logic), but heavy religious indoctrination in the two private schools I attended.
    It appears that the indoctrination was extremely successful in your case then.

    All educational systems indoctrinate.

    Teaching you that people are your equals, that rights are universal, that there is a right and a wrong are examples of indoctrination, however we may feel about the matters.

    The question is, do you want the Government, which relies on your input to function to be the Entity that indoctrinates you?

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    Re: Are you in favor of vouchers for children to attend private schools? (high/gramma

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    This seems like quite a stretch for me, or anyone, to believe. Do you have any proof of your accusation?
    Simple. Ask yourself this question:
    Who are the ones who carry the banner of the voucher system?
    (I'll even give you a clue...it isn't the non-religious private schools)
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    Re: Are you in favor of vouchers for children to attend private schools? (high/gramma

    That's really nothing more than a lie used by right-wing groups to get tax breaks for people who choose to send their children to religious private schools.



    The real motivation behind the ploy is simply an advancement of the religious right's agenda to bring religion into the secular governmental sphere.
    I don't think so. If the parents want to send their children to private schools then what is the problem? I have heard this argument before, and it is very typical and not very factual. How is giving poor families the choice to attend private school bringing religion into government?

    We have freedom of religion, and vouchers do not force anyone to adopt a religion. Neither do religious private schools. How does attending a private school make the government more religious? And for the record, 80% of the students at my private school passed the AP United States History exam, compared to a national average of about 40%. (The AP Exams are conducted by collegeboard, not exactly a conservative organization. One year a question was asked about Reagan, and the answer "He reduced unemployment" was considered a false answer. Yet us religious, conservative, indoctrinated kids passed that test better than the public schools. Hm.)

    A Voucher program would not likely help anyone get into private schools except perhaps those on the border that would like to send their kids to these schools but can't afford it.
    Well yes, I do believe that is the point of voucher programs, helping people who can't afford private schooling get it if they want it. Nobody is being forced.

    Who are the ones who carry the banner of the voucher system?
    (I'll even give you a clue...it isn't the non-religious private schools)
    That is such a fallacy. Simply being religious does not mean that everything you do is intended to indoctrinate everyone else. You need some REAL proof. I could say "Since democrats are the ones defending Obama about his birth palce, he isn't a citizen. Just look at who is defending him!" It isn't logical. Try again.
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    Re: Are you in favor of vouchers for children to attend private schools? (high/gramma

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Simple. Ask yourself this question:
    Who are the ones who carry the banner of the voucher system?
    (I'll even give you a clue...it isn't the non-religious private schools)
    You were asked for a proof.

    Technically, a question cannot be presented as a proof.

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    Re: Are you in favor of vouchers for children to attend private schools? (high/gramma

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Yes I do support voucher programs. Tax payer money pays for public education.Therefore parents should be reimbursed the cost of education if they wish to send their child to a private school. Why should any parent be told to **** off if they want to use that money that is usually taken out for public education be spent on private education. If you pay for something that is usually funded with tax payer dollars you should be reimbursed for it,sure there are some exceptions to that,for example you shouldn't be fully reimbursed if you decide to send your child to the most expensive private school on the planet.
    This would make sense if each family was a self-contained unit and didn't need any help from society. Even if you never have kids, it is in your best interest that all children are well educated. With your logic if I don't own a car I shouldn't have to pay the taxes that go to taking care of the roads.
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    Re: Are you in favor of vouchers for children to attend private schools? (high/gramma

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I'm confused by what you mean. There are already special private schools for the handicapped and other special-needs students. Not all private schools are focused on "rejecting" all but the best students.

    I don't see how this would mean there was less money per student. Yes, some money that was devoted toward public schools would instead go toward vouchers...but there would also be fewer students for the public schools to worry about.
    Private schools that cater to special needs students are extremely expensive. If a voucher program was instated, most of the students left in the public school would be the ones with behavior or learning problems, kids who are to poor to afford private school even with a voucher, and kids whose parents couldn't be bothered to go through the application process for a private school.

    And yes, the public school would have fewer students and that would cut costs a little but not enough to make up for the money lost to vouchers. If you have a teacher teaching a class of 30 students and 10 of those kids leave for private school, you still need the teacher for the 20. Also, those kids still need lights, computers, textbooks, heat, food, etc.

    Comparing public to private school education is not a fair comparison. When doing standardized testing, public schools test everyone from the most gifted accomplished student to the lowest functioning student in the building. Also public schools accept everyone while private schools are free to reject students with learning or behavior problems.
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    Re: Are you in favor of vouchers for children to attend private schools? (high/gramma

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    This would make sense if each family was a self-contained unit and didn't need any help from society. Even if you never have kids, it is in your best interest that all children are well educated.

    You were educated and someone paid for you education regardless if you went to public or private school.If a school is failing why should you pay for that failing school?Since it is in the best interest of the child why not have vouchers which in a sense do not force the parents to waste money on a failing school? The money is being used for the same service,its not like we said hey lets take that money and used it for something completely different.
    With your logic if I don't own a car I shouldn't have to pay the taxes that go to taking care of the roads.
    Do you buy groceries,clothes, and other things? Do you think those things were carried on foot to the stores you shop at?
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