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Thread: Question for liberals re: Federal Health Care

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    Re: Question for liberals re: Federal Health Care

    So you came up with it yourself? I applaud your analytical work, determining that 98% of Americans can find private coverage on $2275/year is no small feat. Can you show us some of the calculation that went into it?

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    Re: Question for liberals re: Federal Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    So you came up with it yourself? I applaud your analytical work, determining that 98% of Americans can find private coverage on $2275/year is no small feat. Can you show us some of the calculation that went into it?
    I gave you the source of my information.
    You can do the same thing I did and see if you come up with the same conclusion.

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    Re: Question for liberals re: Federal Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I gave you the source of my information.
    You can do the same thing I did and see if you come up with the same conclusion.
    I'm sorry but I do not have the time to research the percentage of Americans who can find private insurance on $2275 per year. Since you apparently have done so already, and arrived at a figure of 98%, would you please post the calculations that went into it?

    Unless of course, you just pulled that number out of your ass.....

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    Re: Question for liberals re: Federal Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    I'm sorry but I do not have the time....
    Cool by me.
    Was there anything else, or were you going to consider your criticism complete?

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    Re: Question for liberals re: Federal Health Care

    Just as soon as I see the calculations that went into your deduction that 98% of Americans can find private health coverage for $2275 a month. You've stated that you did the research, I don't see why its such a problem to post what you found and the calculations that resulted here

    Or you could be honest and admit you made the figure up. It's not a big deal - just show me how you arrived at it or state that you made it up

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    Re: Question for liberals re: Federal Health Care

    I am going to guess that more than 2% of Americans have a pre-existing condition which would disqualify them, or increase the costs a lot. Maybe I'm wrong, though.

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    Re: Question for liberals re: Federal Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    Just as soon as I see the calculations that went into your deduction that 98% of Americans can find private health coverage for $2275 a month. You've stated that you did the research, I don't see why its such a problem to post what you found and the calculations that resulted here

    Or you could be honest and admit you made the figure up. It's not a big deal - just show me how you arrived at it or state that you made it up
    Ok then. Let me know when you have something else to say.

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    Re: Question for liberals re: Federal Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Slithering Rainbow View Post
    I am going to guess that more than 2% of Americans have a pre-existing condition which would disqualify them, or increase the costs a lot. Maybe I'm wrong, though
    Lets assume this is true.
    The $2275/year will reduce the burden their cuurent premiums place on them. It might not cover it all but it will cover at least some.

    And, if you canlt get insurance at all, then you can't get insurance at all -- it doesnt matter what plan you use.

    NO plan will ensure that EVERONE is TOTALLY covered.

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    Re: Question for liberals re: Federal Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    This is intended for liberals, just to reduce the number of "The Federal Government shoudln't be involved in health care" responses. While I agree, those responses aren't relevant in this particular case. If you are NOT a liberal and you are willing to accept as a given that the Federal government should provide health care to the masses, please feel free to post.
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    I have a proposal for a comprehensive, nation-wide federal health care plan that will provide access to Health Care for all of the people of the United States. As with The Obama's plan, it may not fully cover people who are extreme examples, but it will take care of the same 98-99% of the populaton.

    Given:
    -FY2008, the Federal Gvmnt spent $682.1B for Medicare and Medicade.
    -There are ~300,000,000 peopel in the US
    Divide that $682.1B by 300M and you get ~$2275 per person.

    The Plan:
    Rather than spend the aforementioned money on Medicare/Medicad, re-allocate said money to that each person receives a yearly $2275 tax credit ($9100 for a family of 4) for use to purchase whatever sort of health care they believe best handles their needs. They can buy insurance, they can save the money to spend as they go, they can use it to take a trip to Hawaii, or whaever else they might choose.

    BUT.... the freedom to choose comes with the responsibility for your choices; if you choose poorly in your spending of that money, you then suffer the consequences you will be responible for any and all health care bills you incur -- doctors and hospitals will no longer be forced to treat people that cannot pay (though they may choose to do so); any unpaid bills will be paid through the yearly credit.

    Anyone that cannot stand the thought of kids suffering becaise of their idiot parents can choose to contribute to charities or to the health care costs of the children, directly.


    Thus, without spending any more money than we already are, this plan will then make sure everyone has access to paid health care. It will also eliminate 2 huge federal programs as well as any and all red tape associated with them, and give people responsibility for themselves and their choices.

    Question:
    Do you think this is a good idea?
    Why/why not?

    I would like to change my vote. I voted "no", thinking you were asking if I thought Federal Health Care was a good idea.....it is not.

    I do, however, like your plan. So, my vote should have been a "yes" for your plan.




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    Re: Question for liberals re: Federal Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    This is intended for liberals, just to reduce the number of "The Federal Government shoudln't be involved in health care" responses. While I agree, those responses aren't relevant in this particular case. If you are NOT a liberal and you are willing to accept as a given that the Federal government should provide health care to the masses, please feel free to post.
    ---------------
    I have a proposal for a comprehensive, nation-wide federal health care plan that will provide access to Health Care for all of the people of the United States. As with The Obama's plan, it may not fully cover people who are extreme examples, but it will take care of the same 98-99% of the populaton.

    Given:
    -FY2008, the Federal Gvmnt spent $682.1B for Medicare and Medicade.
    -There are ~300,000,000 peopel in the US
    Divide that $682.1B by 300M and you get ~$2275 per person.

    The Plan:
    Rather than spend the aforementioned money on Medicare/Medicad, re-allocate said money to that each person receives a yearly $2275 tax credit ($9100 for a family of 4) for use to purchase whatever sort of health care they believe best handles their needs. They can buy insurance, they can save the money to spend as they go, they can use it to take a trip to Hawaii, or whaever else they might choose.

    BUT.... the freedom to choose comes with the responsibility for your choices; if you choose poorly in your spending of that money, you then suffer the consequences you will be responible for any and all health care bills you incur -- doctors and hospitals will no longer be forced to treat people that cannot pay (though they may choose to do so); any unpaid bills will be paid through the yearly credit.

    Anyone that cannot stand the thought of kids suffering becaise of their idiot parents can choose to contribute to charities or to the health care costs of the children, directly.


    Thus, without spending any more money than we already are, this plan will then make sure everyone has access to paid health care. It will also eliminate 2 huge federal programs as well as any and all red tape associated with them, and give people responsibility for themselves and their choices.

    Question:
    Do you think this is a good idea?
    Why/why not?
    Not a bad plan in theory, but I have a few problems with it:

    1. It doesn't prevent any of the worst abuses of the health insurance industry: Kicking sick people off the plan, discriminating based on preexisting conditions or age, looking for the smallest pretext to deny major medical claims, etc.

    2. There's no cost control here. This does nothing to address the fact that health costs will continue to spiral out of control.

    3. $2275 simply is not enough for decent health insurance for many people. That's only $189 per month. If you're over 50, you're going to have a tough time finding a plan for that price. Even if you chip in $100 per month of your own, you aren't going to get a very good plan.

    4. Since this is supposed to REPLACE medicare and medicaid, it will virtually eliminate health insurance for the elderly. If they can find any private health insurance at all, it would be outrageously expensive. Unless, of course, the plan adopted my suggestion to make it illegal to discriminate based on preexisting conditions or age...

    5. This idea doesn't close the tax loophole (granted, neither does Obama's idea) that makes individual policies so much more expensive than group policies: The tax-exempt status of health benefits. This causes a great deal of economic inefficiency, as people stay at jobs they hate or suck at, because they don't want to lose their health insurance.
    Last edited by Kandahar; 07-23-09 at 03:53 PM.
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