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Majority of Americans Now Reject Obama's War On Health Care

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Here are the new numbers. And this as Pelosi confirms that she has back room-dealed enough John McSpecter Judas votes to force the destruction of health care down our throats.

So where do people stand here?
 
aquapub said:
Here are the new numbers. And this as Pelosi confirms that she has back room-dealed enough John McSpecter Judas votes to force the destruction of health care down our throats.

So where do people stand here?
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I do not put much weight in polls, particularly that of Rassmussen. They are known to have a bias.
 
I want socialist healthcare. I lived without healthcare for years, and it was awful.
 
I favor some form of 'universal' care but reject a universal system that is run entirely by the Federal government. As a result, the current abortion of a health-care plan does not garner my support.

-NC
 
Slithering Rainbow said:
I want socialist healthcare. I lived without healthcare for years, and it was awful.
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I currently live without health care, and i like it. Don't have to both with premiums, yah know?
 
I fully favor complete universal health care plan.

All those sick people live in a universe, so they can use their own damn money to get better.

All those machine gun toting bleeding hearts should donate their own money to help them if they want to prove how much they care.

Nothing can be fairer than that.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
I fully favor complete universal health care plan.

All those sick people live in a universe, so they can use their own damn money to get better.

All those machine gun toting bleeding hearts should donate their own money to help them if they want to prove how much they care.

Nothing can be fairer than that.
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They are using there own damn money. People that opt for a public plan does pay taxes and will also have to PAY for their insurance. You are aware of this right?
 
A healthcare system based on a "for profit" corporate insurance base makes absolutely no sense.

The current system is sadly broken and needs to be completely overhauled. This includes a lot of things:

-eliminate a system where it is in the interest of insurance companies to maximize their profit by denying services

- put safeguards in place that limit frivilous lawsuits that currently drive the costs skyhigh and encourage Drs. to use procedures that they otherwise wouldn't in order to cover their ass.

- eliminate a system where the uninsured have no choice but to clog the emergency rooms with non-emergency situations resulting in extremely high premiums for otherwise low cost procedures, which incidentally are passed on to everyone (other than the corporate insurance company)...

That's just a start....and basically part of Obama's plan.
 
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Harry Guerrilla said:
Why is for profit health care a problem?
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The entire concept is flawed from the premise. Think about it logically for one second. Unless the corporation is altruistic (and tell me one corporation that is)....it is in the corporations interest to deny services in order to maximize their profits.

Why would you want a system where a company makes more profit by denying services?
 
FreeTh!nk3r said:
They are using there own damn money. People that opt for a public plan does pay taxes and will also have to PAY for their insurance. You are aware of this right?
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Taxes will go up to pay for Obama's plan.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Why is for profit health care a problem?
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Additionally....the corporation maximizes its profits by insuring only the "healthy" leaving those with pre-existing conditions no option.

Then, in order to maximize profits, the corporation will look for every possible loophole to deny coverage, deny services and to cancel the policy if at all possible when the "healthy" insured becomes ill.
 
Something in between, what the hell is that? Is that like being sort of pregnant?
 
disneydude said:
The entire concept is flawed from the premise. Think about it logically for one second. Unless the corporation is altruistic (and tell me one corporation that is)....it is in the corporations interest to deny services in order to maximize their profits.

Why would you want a system where a company makes more profit by denying services?
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Translation: profits are evil, and anyone who does something for money is not to be trusted; best line those greedy pigs up against the wall and shoot them now.

(and then piss, moan, groan, and whine like a lost schoolgirl because no one is left to provide the "services" you "need".)
 
celticlord said:
Translation: profits are evil, and anyone who does something for money is not to be trusted; best line those greedy pigs up against the wall and shoot them now.

(and then piss, moan, groan, and whine like a lost schoolgirl because no one is left to provide the "services" you "need".)
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Your interpretation is consistent with your extremist views. Enough said.
 
disneydude said:
Your interpretation is consistent with your extremist views. Enough said.
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Wow, that was responsive and illuminating.

So tell me how you think I am wrong.....if you can.
 
celticlord said:
Wow, that was responsive and illuminating.

So tell me how you think I am wrong.....if you can.
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Because your extremist interpretation of my post is consistent with your extremist interpretion of pretty much everyone's posts that you disagree with. Goodbye.
 
disneydude said:
Because your extremist interpretation of my post is consistent with your extremist interpretion of pretty much everyone's posts that you disagree with. Goodbye.
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So long, sparky....but you didn't answer the question, now did you? tsk tsk tsk:naughty
 
I think to simply categorise a nation's method for providing health care for it's citizenry as capitalist or socialist is a very narrow manner of handling the core issues at stake. For instance, the moment an avarage American hears the word 'socialism' being banded together with healthcare, automatically alarm bells are set; one begins to imagine the United States healthcare going the 'soviet' or 'cuban' direction! Why! this is a highly charged ideological term that accomplishes little more than panic. That said, isn't it true that NO ECONOMIC SYSTEM ON THE PLANET IS 100% CAPITALIST NOT EVEN THE OL' US of A's! Now, why don't we call all such economies, the US included, socialist? The fact is, what Obama wants to introduce is a mixed healthcare service even as the America economy, itself, is a mixed economy and I feel to shoot down his concept on the basis of ideological definitions is unfair, to say the least. It's obvious, from the 48 million plus Americans not covered by medicare currently, that the present health delivery structure has major failings and that injections of fresh ideas into the system would be most beneficial. If anything, health is too vital a public issue to leave in the hands of entreprenuers solely.
 
Proconsul said:
I think to simply categorise a nation's method for providing health care for it's citizenry as capitalist or socialist is a very narrow manner of handling the core issues at stake. For instance, the moment an avarage American hears the word 'socialism' being banded together with healthcare, automatically alarm bells are set; one begins to imagine the United States healthcare going the 'soviet' or 'cuban' direction! Why! this is a highly charged ideological term that accomplishes little more than panic. That said, isn't it true that NO ECONOMIC SYSTEM ON THE PLANET IS 100% CAPITALIST NOT EVEN THE OL' US of A's! Now, why don't we call all such economies, the US included, socialist? The fact is, what Obama wants to introduce is a mixed healthcare service even as the America economy, itself, is a mixed economy and I feel to shoot down his concept on the basis of ideological definitions is unfair, to say the least. It's obvious, from the 48 million plus Americans not covered by medicare currently, that the present health delivery structure has major failings and that injections of fresh ideas into the system would be most beneficial. If anything, health is too vital a public issue to leave in the hands of entreprenuers solely.
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This particular HCP is not just about socialism. It's about loosing rights. Go over the bill...see what they are doing. I even made a thread about this...I'll link to the bill and to the thread.

Thread Link

PDF of HCP
 
disneydude said:
The entire concept is flawed from the premise. Think about it logically for one second. Unless the corporation is altruistic (and tell me one corporation that is)....it is in the corporations interest to deny services in order to maximize their profits.

Why would you want a system where a company makes more profit by denying services?
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That would only be true if they denied most people payment for services which clearly isn't what's happening.

disneydude said:
Additionally....the corporation maximizes its profits by insuring only the "healthy" leaving those with pre-existing conditions no option.

Then, in order to maximize profits, the corporation will look for every possible loophole to deny coverage, deny services and to cancel the policy if at all possible when the "healthy" insured becomes ill.
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People with pre existing conditions can get covered by insurance, it's a lie to believe otherwise.
The vast majority of the time no one is denied or has their insurance canceled.
 
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