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    Re: Are we getting what we need from education in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    Wouldn't this be better for the Education forum?
    I don't know.

    I thought the OP was going to add a poll, but perhaps it was just an attempt to drag people over to his poll outside DP?
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    Re: Are we getting what we need from education in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I don't know.

    I thought the OP was going to add a poll, but perhaps it was just an attempt to drag people over to his poll outside DP?
    Yeah I think so.

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    Re: Are we getting what we need from education in America?

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    No.

    The problem, in my mind, is that too many educators have more interest in keeping their jobs than in educating students. At all levels.
    I'm sorry, but that is crap. Of course teachers are interested in keeping their jobs, who isn't. Most teachers are doing that job because they want to in spite of the fact that they are underpaid, overworked and not respected.
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    Re: Are we getting what we need from education in America?

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    I'm sorry, but that is crap. Of course teachers are interested in keeping their jobs, who isn't. Most teachers are doing that job because they want to in spite of the fact that they are underpaid, overworked and not respected.
    No offense to the teacher, but they should leave the profession if they don't know what they are doing, or at least take some seminars....I hate teachers who don't know what they are doing.
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    Re: Are we getting what we need from education in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    No offense to the teacher, but they should leave the profession if they don't know what they are doing, or at least take some seminars....I hate teachers who don't know what they are doing.
    I'm sorry you've had a bad experience with a teacher.

    I don't deny that there are bad teachers, just as there are bad doctors, bad lawyers, police officers, etc. However, to say that most teachers are not doing a good job is inaccurate. The news reports about all the bad teachers but we don't get to read about the vast majority of dedicated teachers who work long hours, spend their own money on classroom supplies, do all that they can to be what their students need them to be.
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    Re: Are we getting what we need from education in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    I'm sorry you've had a bad experience with a teacher.

    I don't deny that there are bad teachers, just as there are bad doctors, bad lawyers, police officers, etc. However, to say that most teachers are not doing a good job is inaccurate. The news reports about all the bad teachers but we don't get to read about the vast majority of dedicated teachers who work long hours, spend their own money on classroom supplies, do all that they can to be what their students need them to be.
    Yeah, I've seen plenty of those too . Just asking, are you in grade school? No, right?
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    Re: Are we getting what we need from education in America?

    Even though I personally am not a big fan of it, I think putting more pressure on the students to do better might collectively boost grades. Like the school system in China - every student really takes their work seriously. China had really been raising fine, focused, hardworking people for years. Of course, so is the Scandinavian countries, whose education systems are completely varying in terms of pressure put on the students...

    So really, I guess I don't know. I know that we aren't getting what we need, and that there must be a method to fix this. I also know, however, that we are American, and the problem may lie in our unending need to complain and slack off (students, teachers, faculty, etc).
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    Re: Are we getting what we need from education in America?

    I'm sorry, but that is crap. Of course teachers are interested in keeping their jobs, who isn't. Most teachers are doing that job because they want to in spite of the fact that they are underpaid, overworked and not respected.
    Yet corporations are evil and greedy and are only in it for the money and their jobs. Right? Why can't you believe that there are teachers who only care about money and their jobs? Most corporations are doing that job because they want to. Public school teachers can make 75K a year if they teach long enough. That is hardly underpaid at all.

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    Re: Are we getting what we need from education in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Yet corporations are evil and greedy and are only in it for the money and their jobs. Right? Why can't you believe that there are teachers who only care about money and their jobs? Most corporations are doing that job because they want to. Public school teachers can make 75K a year if they teach long enough. That is hardly underpaid at all.
    But the problem is it takes a lot for them to build their income up to that size, and once they get there, you get symptoms of the Principal-Agent problem. They start to lose the incentive to keep working and they start slacking off. It just happens, there is no way around it. I know a teacher at my old school, who used the same templates (quizes, HW Assign, tests, notes) for 10 years. Maybe it was because she found they worked (they sure as hell didn't work for me) or maybe it was because it made things easier for her (she wasn't exactly young). Either way, it really alienated plenty of students, while bringing allowing a format for stupid kids to catch up. So basically, she didn't help the kids who were going somewhere, and she just helped the stupid kids. That sort of thing just doesn't work, but its bound to happen when you leave a teacher in a comfy position in which he/she doesn't have as much of an incentive to work.
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    Re: Are we getting what we need from education in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    I'm sorry you've had a bad experience with a teacher.

    I don't deny that there are bad teachers, just as there are bad doctors, bad lawyers, police officers, etc. However, to say that most teachers are not doing a good job is inaccurate. The news reports about all the bad teachers but we don't get to read about the vast majority of dedicated teachers who work long hours, spend their own money on classroom supplies, do all that they can to be what their students need them to be.
    Yes, there are people that are bad at their occupation too but 50% of doctors, lawyers, and police officers aren't bad just as there are teachers.

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