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  • The populace being more directly involved at lower levels of government

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    What is the next structure of government?

    Throughout history government's have evolved based on the populations size and ability to communicate with each other.

    Early Years
    Chiefs and elder councils.

    Rome - Renaissance
    As population expanded the development of a tiered government structure utilizing cities, regions, country under the control of lords and monarchs is established. Education is still lacking in the populace though.

    Print Press - Now
    Education is widely available to the populace and a need to be heard is born. Democracy is widely established from this. There is still a lack of swiftness in communication though so elected representatives are required to voice the opinion of their populace.

    Future (IMO)
    Education levels are higher then ever and the ability for real-time mass communication is present. Bills, Documents can be edited and/or provided feedback in real-time around the country from millions of people. These items are then reviewed by designated experts and resubmitted to the populace for review and approval. Obviously a workable system will need to be established so that things are actually completed.

    Given today’s rising education and ability to mass communicate do you see a change in our government style? Is there a need for representatives if the mass populace can vote for everything and provide their feedback? If there is a need for representatives can this role be expanded to allow more people to participate in real-time discussions and development of policy?

    This idea came to me when reading an article on companies like Facebook allowing their polices and business decisions to be driven based on the direction given by their customers and also after seeing the collaboration and meeting tools soon to be available like Google Wave.

    What are your thoughts?
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    Re: What is the next structure of government?

    Next for the US is a fascist dictatorship serving the interests of the well connected. The Messiah has taken several "giant leaps" in that direction already.

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    Re: What is the next structure of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Next for the US is a fascist dictatorship serving the interests of the well connected. The Messiah has taken several "giant leaps" in that direction already.
    Thanks for your pointless addition to this topic.
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    Re: What is the next structure of government?

    I wouldn't say fascist dictatorship, but I would be willing to plunk money down on fascist oligopoly which panders to the new aristocracy. And it's not just Obama's doing, the whole of the Republocrats are driving that direction. But definitely with the leaps and bounds in technologies and the reluctance of the People to do anything to keep and constrain the government or research parties and candidates; some form of fascist police state is where we shall head.
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    Re: What is the next structure of government?

    I see the populace being more involved in the local, and possibly even the state levels. But the Federal will be off limits for quite some time. At least in the local aspect of it, it could be done as a sort of "social experiment" to see if it's even feasible. Then, hopefully, more expansion from there.

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    Re: What is the next structure of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Thanks for your pointless addition to this topic.
    Oh! You wanted some imaginary utopian improvement over the dying republic, not what's actually in the process of happening, the rise of the American socialist-fascist state under the Messiah!

    My bad, I was answering the poll honestly, and you all didn't want THAT!

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    Re: What is the next structure of government?

    When vote-counting leans more and more towards digital, and with the powers of the states slipping in favor of a central system, I expect to see total democracy rather than an electoral system, with a better-informed populace overall hopefully getting more information before they vote from various neutral sites (maybe with a voting test thrown in, too). I doubt we're heading for fascism, especially anything built to serve the wealthy (based on how tax rates are going).
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    Re: What is the next structure of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Throughout history government's have evolved based on the populations size and ability to communicate with each other.

    Early Years
    Chiefs and elder councils.

    Rome - Renaissance
    As population expanded the development of a tiered government structure utilizing cities, regions, country under the control of lords and monarchs is established. Education is still lacking in the populace though.

    Print Press - Now
    Education is widely available to the populace and a need to be heard is born. Democracy is widely established from this. There is still a lack of swiftness in communication though so elected representatives are required to voice the opinion of their populace.

    Future (IMO)
    Education levels are higher then ever and the ability for real-time mass communication is present. Bills, Documents can be edited and/or provided feedback in real-time around the country from millions of people. These items are then reviewed by designated experts and resubmitted to the populace for review and approval. Obviously a workable system will need to be established so that things are actually completed.

    Given today’s rising education and ability to mass communicate do you see a change in our government style? Is there a need for representatives if the mass populace can vote for everything and provide their feedback? If there is a need for representatives can this role be expanded to allow more people to participate in real-time discussions and development of policy?

    This idea came to me when reading an article on companies like Facebook allowing their polices and business decisions to be driven based on the direction given by their customers and also after seeing the collaboration and meeting tools soon to be available like Google Wave.

    What are your thoughts?
    See, now THIS is an intresting question.

    I've been watching the Internet develop from the early days of ARPA and DARPAnets, BBS's, into its early incarnation, and still growing and developing. I can real-time chat with people in freeking China.

    The exchange of information, data, ideas, opinions and so forth is taking place at an exponentially greater rate than ever before, and growing yearly.

    This has already had substantial effects on society and the economy, and this will surely increase. Gov't may (and will) lag behind, but it cannot help but be effected also. When snail-mail was the only way to write your congressman, few bothered...now with email, they're so flooded with constituent opinion they have to filter for spambots and people outside their constituency.

    The technology of information transfer may well advance faster than government can cope, and that gap may result in some surprising developments in the next 20-50 years. It may well involve more direct democracy, which is intresting but a cause for worry: untempered and unrestrained, direct democracy is mob rule, 51% voting to feed on 49%.

    If gov't doesn't change to keep up with the new wave of ever-increasing information technology, gov't as we know it, might find itself obsolete and outclassed. We saw what happens when an Information Age society goes to war against a barely-Industrial-Age society in the US/Nato-Iraq war: we wiped out their conventional forces in less time than it takes to tell. In one engagement, a handful of US tanks took out a hundred Soviet-made Iraqi tanks in a full-speed moving engagement in a matter of minutes.

    So too, the next phase of Information Age technology might outstrip old-style territorial governments as we know them, and even render their military might irrelevant. Artillery is useless if you don't know where to aim it.

    Speculative futurism suggests a number of possibilities, among them non-territorial governments with voluntary memberships, organized as member-owned multinational corporations.

    Its all speculation at this point, but I think one thing we can depend on: 100 years from now the world will be a very different place.

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    Re: What is the next structure of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Edify_Always_In_All_Ways View Post
    When vote-counting leans more and more towards digital, and with the powers of the states slipping in favor of a central system, I expect to see total democracy rather than an electoral system, with a better-informed populace overall hopefully getting more information before they vote from various neutral sites (maybe with a voting test thrown in, too). I doubt we're heading for fascism, especially anything built to serve the wealthy (based on how tax rates are going).
    Pure democracy is a bad bad idea, and removing the electoral system will definitely leave some states and rural areas out of the process almost entirely. And as currently people aren't as well informed and educated on the process and the system is becoming more police state dominated and the government as a whole pandering more and more to Wall Street and their new aristocratic friends, I don't see how this idealized, rosy future is going to be possible from our present position.
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    Re: What is the next structure of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Pure democracy is a bad bad idea, and removing the electoral system will definitely leave some states and rural areas out of the process almost entirely. And as currently people aren't as well informed and educated on the process and the system is becoming more police state dominated and the government as a whole pandering more and more to Wall Street and their new aristocratic friends, I don't see how this idealized, rosy future is going to be possible from our present position.
    This is why I think it will be more of participation towards policy rather then direct rule of the populace.

    Why not ask for feedback from everyone that may have a solution and filter through them? I would hate to rely on 10 "specialists" in government to come up with a decision when there could be 100 people outside of government with a better idea.

    Also, instead of requiring the voters to just vote Yes or No once or twice a year we can, if we choose to, give detailed voting per line item as a critque on current bills or propositions before they are submitted. We can call it the people's line item veto.
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