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  • Same as it is now

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  • New government where the populace creates and collaborates on policy and decisions directly

    4 19.05%
  • The populace being more directly involved at lower levels of government

    6 28.57%
  • The populace being less involved overall

    3 14.29%
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    Re: What is the next structure of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    This is why I think it will be more of participation towards policy rather then direct rule of the populace.

    Why not ask for feedback from everyone that may have a solution and filter through them? I would hate to rely on 10 "specialists" in government to come up with a decision when there could be 100 people outside of government with a better idea.

    Also, instead of requiring the voters to just vote Yes or No once or twice a year we can, if we choose to, give detailed voting per line item as a critque on current bills or propositions before they are submitted. We can call it the people's line item veto.
    One of the most profound things about the Internet, that will make itself felt in coming decades, is how it allows good minds to interact much more easily, faster, in more detail and with a higher bits-per-second of information exchange than ever before.

    Applying some of that to government might be an intresting idea.

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    Re: What is the next structure of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    This is why I think it will be more of participation towards policy rather then direct rule of the populace.

    Why not ask for feedback from everyone that may have a solution and filter through them? I would hate to rely on 10 "specialists" in government to come up with a decision when there could be 100 people outside of government with a better idea.

    Also, instead of requiring the voters to just vote Yes or No once or twice a year we can, if we choose to, give detailed voting per line item as a critque on current bills or propositions before they are submitted. We can call it the people's line item veto.
    Given how popular reality TV and shows like Daisy of Love are....I think we should be wary how much control we give people. Sure, it would be great if everyone researched and gave educated opinion on matters, but in all honesty that's most likely not going to happen. If we can avoid the future of Idiocracy, that would be a good thing.
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    Re: What is the next structure of government?

    I chose "The populace being less involved overall" altho I do not feel this will be by choice but instead by the power grab by the federal government is continuously imposing. People with every generation lose more of their influence to dictate our government.

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    Re: What is the next structure of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Given how popular reality TV and shows like Daisy of Love are....I think we should be wary how much control we give people. Sure, it would be great if everyone researched and gave educated opinion on matters, but in all honesty that's most likely not going to happen. If we can avoid the future of Idiocracy, that would be a good thing.
    Perhaps requirements to be able to give detailed feedback then?
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    Re: What is the next structure of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Perhaps requirements to be able to give detailed feedback then?
    Such as?

    The problem with requirements is, they can never be completely accurate in choosing something. Especially something like this.

    Edit: Unless they are so cumbersome that it would take an unreasonable amount of time to decide something.
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    Re: What is the next structure of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Perhaps requirements to be able to give detailed feedback then?
    You mean making it easier for a person to write an elected representative, or easier for that person to throw away what was written?

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    Re: What is the next structure of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Pure democracy is a bad bad idea, and removing the electoral system will definitely leave some states and rural areas out of the process almost entirely. And as currently people aren't as well informed and educated on the process and the system is becoming more police state dominated and the government as a whole pandering more and more to Wall Street and their new aristocratic friends, I don't see how this idealized, rosy future is going to be possible from our present position.
    I didn't say it was a good idea. It was the first prediction that came to mind.

    As far as the police state goes, I still don't see it happening here. In the 1950s, we got closer than we've ever been, and as the war on terror peters out we'll trend toward freedom again. China is getting freer all the time, which makes me doubt the U.S. will ever be worse (than they are, at least).

    Again, with taxes on the rich shooting up and up and up and Wall Street facing extreme regulation, what benefits are the "aristocrats" going to be reaping that they didn't have before Obama/Bush?
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    Re: What is the next structure of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Such as?

    The problem with requirements is, they can never be completely accurate in choosing something. Especially something like this.

    Edit: Unless they are so cumbersome that it would take an unreasonable amount of time to decide something.
    I'm thinking something like building a quality ratings algorithm assigned to participates. The community could rate individuals and their feedback and additions they make. A mix between Google Page Rank (but poster rank in this case) and Wikipedia's style community fact checking.

    This would give higher priority in posts to those individuals with a higher quality rating. Of course no one would be left out but it would be a way to filter those pointless additions.

    I also think those people that really don't care about politics won't be participating anyway. It will be the partisan hacks that will need to be filtered.
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    Re: What is the next structure of government?

    And now, to something completely different.
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    Re: What is the next structure of government?

    I think we will eventually reach a Machiavellian style government where people collectively make major decisions. The ability to connect via technology has already led to some of the principles that Machiavelli predicted in the Prince. For example, Machiavelli said that if the people were in control, war would be a thing of the past. This is because the people have to actually fight the wars, whereas the rich and privileged rulers, start the wars, yet are not in direct danger. As we have seen in the War in Iraq and going further back, the Somolian conflict in the 90's, now that the media is bringing war into the living rooms of the people, greater outcries against war are heard. I feel this will ultimately lead to less war in the long run. Also, I feel that as each generation becomes more informed, there will be far more referendums and even federal referendums for the populous to directly vote on legislation. This holds many benefits for the spineless members of Congress, that may avoid responsibility to constituencies by allowing the constituences to vote for themselves on select or controversial legislation.

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