View Poll Results: Should Congress create an amendment to get rid of the Electoral College?

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    Re: Amendment to get rid of the Electoral College?

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    Regarding incumbency rate, that is a result of uninformed voters it can happen in any system of government... Including a republic.
    Of course but it is exacerbated by universal suffrage.

    Uninformed voters is the primary reason why voting should not be universal.
    Not everyone knows what is in the best interest of their government.
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    Re: Amendment to get rid of the Electoral College?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Of course but it is exacerbated by universal suffrage.

    Uninformed voters is the primary reason why voting should not be universal.
    Not everyone knows what is in the best interest of their government.
    Who would you take it away from?
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    Re: Amendment to get rid of the Electoral College?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Of course but it is exacerbated by universal suffrage.

    Uninformed voters is the primary reason why voting should not be universal.
    Not everyone knows what is in the best interest of their government.
    How would you decide who can and can't vote?

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    Re: Amendment to get rid of the Electoral College?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Who would you take it away from?
    People who don't pay taxes and people who recieve any form of payment or privilege from the government.

    Under this plan I would not be able to vote (I don't pay federal taxes) but I realize that making a personal sacrifice is more important.
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    Re: Amendment to get rid of the Electoral College?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    No. Again, it is a difference which makes no difference. There are plenty of moderates and conservatives in coastal states, and, with the electoral college gone, their votes would be pooled along with those of other moderates and conservatives the nation over. The solid blue appearance and solid red appearance of states results from the electoral college system; in truth, there is a very mixed dispersal even in the most supposedly liberal or conservative states. I don't even think campaign strategy would change that much, since, in the regions where there are more people, the goal would still be to focus in on an candidate's appeal in those regions.
    Yes, I realize all of this. If you are comfortable with it, then so am I! Let's do it, away with the electoral college!

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    Re: Amendment to get rid of the Electoral College?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    People who don't pay taxes and people who recieve any form of payment or privilege from the government.

    Under this plan I would not be able to vote (I don't pay federal taxes) but I realize that making a personal sacrifice is more important.
    Technically, you don't pay taxes if you make below a certain amount (it gets returned). Everyone still pays income tax of course. But by your plan, poor people would be disenfranchised.

    Also, even if you don't pay taxes, so many other things are handled by the federal government, it's going to affect you no matter what, and that'd be pretty unjust.

    Why would you disenfranchise them?
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    Re: Amendment to get rid of the Electoral College?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    People who don't pay taxes and people who recieve any form of payment or privilege from the government.

    Under this plan I would not be able to vote (I don't pay federal taxes) but I realize that making a personal sacrifice is more important.
    That's impractical and unworkable. Why should someone who is poor yet very knowledgeable and up-to-date on current events who would be a very informed voter not be able to vote while Paris Hilton can vote?

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    Re: Amendment to get rid of the Electoral College?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Technically, you don't pay taxes if you make below a certain amount (it gets returned). Everyone still pays income tax of course. But by your plan, poor people would be disenfranchised.

    Also, even if you don't pay taxes, so many other things are handled by the federal government, it's going to affect you no matter what, and that'd be pretty unjust.

    Why would you disenfranchise them?
    It disenfranchises more than poor people.
    Do you know how many businesses receive government funds and privileges not afforded to the rest of us?

    They typically cast their vote for the person who promises the most benefits and those people haven't earned those benefits. Politicians shouldn't be able to bribe people with taxpayers money to vote for them.

    It is unethical everywhere else in this world, why is it not with voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan
    That's impractical and unworkable. Why should someone who is poor yet very knowledgeable and up-to-date on current events who would be a very informed voter not be able to vote while Paris Hilton can vote?
    Poor has nothing to do with it. You can refuse government subsidies and pay a nominal tax to participate.
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    Re: Amendment to get rid of the Electoral College?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    And also, we're talking about the presidency, who only approves and enforces laws, not congress who decides laws.
    Thats the key point there. I do not want California or some other densely populated stated decided laws for my state.
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    Re: Amendment to get rid of the Electoral College?

    No.

    The EC prevented Al Gore from being president.

    Long Live the EC!

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