View Poll Results: Should Congress create an amendment to get rid of the Electoral College?

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Thread: Amendment to get rid of the Electoral College?

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    Re: Amendment to get rid of the Electoral College?

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Right, that is why the electoral college must remain. Or conservatives would have to move.
    I wish history didn't offend you so much.

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    Re: Amendment to get rid of the Electoral College?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Democracy, even in elections, in an extremist ideology that has effectively proven itself not to work in the best interests of the citizens that use it.
    1. Where's the proof of Democracy not working?
    2. What kind of system of government do you think is best?

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    Re: Amendment to get rid of the Electoral College?

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    Do you remember what the case's name was? It seems like an interesting case.
    I apologize, ND has just passed this legislation in their House. The Senate has yet to vote on it. I heard radio commentary on it and because it allows no exceptions it is thought that it will be slapped down by SCOTUS.

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    Re: Amendment to get rid of the Electoral College?

    Quote Originally Posted by Metternich View Post
    I wish history didn't offend you so much.
    Uh...Ok, would you like to elaborate or is that your whole case?

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    Re: Amendment to get rid of the Electoral College?

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    I agree with both of you, to a point. Elections, at least recent ones have shown the same result either way. But, I feel that if the electoral college were done away with, more people would vote. This is both good and bad. Usual election turn-out is 42% on good year presidental campaigns. If more people turned out, then you would see the coastal states reign supreme. The founders wanted the electoral college because they feared that if more populous states silenced the smaller one's, which would be the case with red vs. blue states, then succession might occur. Imagine that voter turnout reached 70%. If Democrats continuously won the White House, conservatives would eventually grow so distraught that the Union would surely be endangered.

    Do you guys find a reason why this should not be a fear in 2009?
    No. Again, it is a difference which makes no difference. There are plenty of moderates and conservatives in coastal states, and, with the electoral college gone, their votes would be pooled along with those of other moderates and conservatives the nation over. The solid blue appearance and solid red appearance of states results from the electoral college system; in truth, there is a very mixed dispersal even in the most supposedly liberal or conservative states. I don't even think campaign strategy would change that much, since, in the regions where there are more people, the goal would still be to focus in on an candidate's appeal in those regions.
    Last edited by Morality Games; 07-21-09 at 12:50 PM.

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    Re: Amendment to get rid of the Electoral College?

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    I believe the majority should win period, even if I do not agree with them.
    So that is a yes you do not mind NewYork or some other densely populated liberal state deciding laws that impact your state.
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    Re: Amendment to get rid of the Electoral College?

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    1. Where's the proof of Democracy not working?
    Look at all the presidents and congressman elected in the past 100 years.
    Couple that with the massive expansion of government since we've implemented universal suffrage and you have your answer.

    95% incumbency rate is pretty bad in my opinion.

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    2. What kind of system of government do you think is best?
    A republic is the best system as long as everyone knows that voting is a privilege that must be earned and not owed.
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    Re: Amendment to get rid of the Electoral College?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So that is a yes you do not mind NewYork or some other densely populated liberal state deciding laws that impact your state.
    That's what happens now; You only need 12 states to win the presidency with the electoral college.

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    Re: Amendment to get rid of the Electoral College?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Look at all the presidents and congressman elected in the past 100 years.
    Couple that with the massive expansion of government since we've implemented universal suffrage and you have your answer.

    95% incumbency rate is pretty bad in my opinion.



    A republic is the best system as long as everyone knows that voting is a privilege that must be earned and not owed.
    Regarding incumbency rate, that is a result of uninformed voters it can happen in any system of government... Including a republic.

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    Re: Amendment to get rid of the Electoral College?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So you would want densely populated states to decided laws for your state? The system isn't perfect but its much better than NewYork,California and other densely populated states trying to decided gun laws,hunting laws,abortion and etc for my state.
    As opposed to the midwest and the south making laws for my state? I don't see how that's neccessarily any more fair. And also, we're talking about the presidency, who only approves and enforces laws, not congress who decides laws.

    One thing people need to remember is that California isn't some huge monolith where everyone drives a prius and drinks latte. Sure, SF is going to be deep blue, but you'd have people in Orange County, in the farming country, and in the mountains that vote republican. I'm sure NY is the same way.

    As an aside, the conservative argument for the EC has always seemed to me to come down to vote welfare. They need to be subsidized with a system that gives them a built in advantage, instead of competing on an level playing field.

    I wouldn't be surprised if in a decade or two, conservatives are railing against the EC as unfair. Nowdays we end up with superstates in the EC. These are large states with an ungodly amount of EV. Lets imagine the dems win CA, NY, IL, New England. That puts them at 141 votes. Lets say that demographic trends turn Texas and Florida blue. That puts the dems at 202 votes. Can you really beat that kind of built in advantage? I don't think so.
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