View Poll Results: Should Congress create an amendment to get rid of the Electoral College?

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    Re: Amendment to get rid of the Electoral College?

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    If the EC must remain, then I'd prefer proportional allocation. So if candidate A gets 52% of the popular vote in CA, he'd get 29 EV; while candidate B would get 26 EV (assuming he got 48% of the vote).
    Call your state legislators -- they're the only ones who can do that.

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    Re: Amendment to get rid of the Electoral College?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Call your state legislators -- they're the only ones who can do that.
    Been there, done that, and they ain't interested.

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    Re: Amendment to get rid of the Electoral College?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    People are trying to get rid of the electoral college even though what they should be doing is writing their state legislators requesting that their state use a proportional system in divvying up electoral votes. Like Maine uses.
    It's funny, that. The Democrats occasionally try to ram a ballot proposition through that would, in Colorado, for example, with 8 EC's force the state to make the distribution of electors, but they're adamantly opposed to anyone even thinking about doing that to California, with over 50 EC's.

    Hypocrites, they are.

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    Re: Amendment to get rid of the Electoral College?

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    Been there, done that, and they ain't interested.
    This leaves you SOL. Sorry.

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    Re: Amendment to get rid of the Electoral College?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    It's funny, that. The Democrats occasionally try to ram a ballot proposition through that would, in Colorado, for example, with 8 EC's force the state to make the distribution of electors, but they're adamantly opposed to anyone even thinking about doing that to California, with over 50 EC's.

    Hypocrites, they are.
    I did the math for the 2000/2004 election using proprtional allocation.

    Bush wins bigger, both times. The red states are more red than the blue states are blue.

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    Re: Amendment to get rid of the Electoral College?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    This leaves you SOL. Sorry.
    Don't really care, since I don't vote for President any longer.

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    Re: Amendment to get rid of the Electoral College?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    It's funny, that. The Democrats occasionally try to ram a ballot proposition through that would, in Colorado, for example, with 8 EC's force the state to make the distribution of electors, but they're adamantly opposed to anyone even thinking about doing that to California, with over 50 EC's.

    Hypocrites, they are.
    Personally, I only care what Illinois does. I want my "vote" to count in 2012, and if the system here isn't changed, it won't.

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    Re: Amendment to get rid of the Electoral College?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I did the math for the 2000/2004 election using proprtional allocation.

    Bush wins bigger, both times. The red states are more red than the blue states are blue.
    One thing a proportional vote tally might do is give a little more legitimacy to a third party candidate.

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    Re: Amendment to get rid of the Electoral College?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    The people dont elect the President, and so that doesn't matter.

    And... your criteria here is still flawed. State elections are held for the state electors, not the President. In that, the equality/inequality of any given vote is found within the state that holds the election -- and in that, all votes are equal.
    No I just don't start with the assumption that our government is exactly as it should be. Why should the states elect the President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    One thing a proportional vote tally might do is give a little more legitimacy to a third party candidate.
    No. People will still feel like voting 3rd party is like voting for their worst enemy, or not voting at all. This wouldn't change even if each state wasn't winner take all.

    Proportional representation, which wouldn't apply to presidential elections, is where people vote for parties and, given a certain threshold of votes, the party wins seats. Say the threshold is 5%. If 5% of people vote green, then 5% of seats are filled with green party candidates. Then you might see something like 15% libertarian, 45% democrat, and 35% republican. The composition of the Congress would more closely reflect the preferences of the people given more than two choices, as opposed to in each district whichever party has the highest percentage takes all and everybody else's preferences are effectively ignored.
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    Re: Amendment to get rid of the Electoral College?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiveUninhibited View Post
    No. People will still feel like voting 3rd party is like voting for their worst enemy, or not voting at all. This wouldn't change even if each state wasn't winner take all.
    People don't feel that way at all. they feel, correctly, that a vote for a third party is a waste of time in the current system because the third party can NEVER get any EC votes.

    Unfortunately, as it stands, people aren't interested in regaining the country form partisan nonsense because they're more interested in who Angelina Jolie is blowing this week than they are in how the two party system has become a fetid mass of donkephant manure that engulfs the nation.

    Oh well.

    Proportional representation, which wouldn't apply to presidential elections, is where people vote for parties and, given a certain threshold of votes, the party wins seats. Say the threshold is 5%. If 5% of people vote green, then 5% of seats are filled with green party candidates. Then you might see something like 15% libertarian, 45% democrat, and 35% republican. The composition of the Congress would more closely reflect the preferences of the people given more than two choices, as opposed to in each district whichever party has the highest percentage takes all and everybody else's preferences are effectively ignored.
    A proportional allocation of a State's Electoral college votes wouldn't apply to presidential elections?!??!?!

    Who knew?

    The Electoral College - Reform Options

    Please, if you aren't going to bother to follow the conversation, then have the decency to not bother replying.

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