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    Re: Amendment to get rid of the Electoral College?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Actually, that there was disagreement among the Founding Fathers as to the best form of government is pretty much established history.

    However, that does not mean that the Founding Fathers would necessarily have been in favor of frivolous amendments for transient reasons. In that regard they were all a pretty conservative bunch.
    Yeah CL, I know about the various "compromises", but I think a republican form was agreed to by most.
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    Re: Amendment to get rid of the Electoral College?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    The electoral college does not give more power to less populous areas. It emulates the house of representatives, not the Senate; electors are apportioned according to a state's population.
    No actually it's equal to the number of BOTH. Number in House + 2 Senators = electoral votes.

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    Re: Amendment to get rid of the Electoral College?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiveUninhibited View Post
    No actually it's equal to the number of BOTH. Number in House + 2 Senators = electoral votes.
    Thats why he said it "emulates" the house of representatives.

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    Re: Amendment to get rid of the Electoral College?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You mean like when the right is exercised in a public place/forum, or when exercising the right directly endangers the rights of others?
    Right?
    What did you mean by regulation?

    How does a state regulate religion? Abortion would be regulated in a like manner.

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    Re: Amendment to get rid of the Electoral College?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Thats why he said it "emulates" the house of representatives.
    Well that only means it's less independent of population than the Senate, which itself is totaly independent of population. But 100 of the votes are based upon the Senate. That means the electoral college does not reflect the popular vote, and people in less populous states get disproportionate power, as I said.

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    Re: Amendment to get rid of the Electoral College?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiveUninhibited View Post
    Well that only means it's less independent of population than the Senate, which itself is totaly independent of population. But 100 of the votes are based upon the Senate. That means the electoral college does not reflect the popular vote, and people in less populous states get disproportionate power, as I said.
    Given that the President is the head of Government, elected by the states, and that the Federal Government governs over a Republic of sovereign states, the electoral college shoud have 50 memebers, one from each state, as under the Constitution, each state is equal.

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    Re: Amendment to get rid of the Electoral College?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Given that the President is the head of Government, elected by the states, and that the Federal Government governs over a Republic of sovereign states, the electoral college shoud have 50 memebers, one from each state, as under the Constitution, each state is equal.
    Considering the language of the Constitution you are technically correct. But I would very much oppose that, as I see no reason to give each Alaskan 50 times the voice of each Californian.

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    Re: Amendment to get rid of the Electoral College?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiveUninhibited View Post
    Considering the language of the Constitution you are technically correct. But I would very much oppose that, as I see no reason to give each Alaskan 50 times the voice of each Californian.
    The people dont elect the President, and so that doesn't matter.

    And... your criteria here is still flawed. State elections are held for the state electors, not the President. In that, the equality/inequality of any given vote is found within the state that holds the election -- and in that, all votes are equal.
    Last edited by Goobieman; 07-22-09 at 02:28 PM.

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    Re: Amendment to get rid of the Electoral College?

    People are trying to get rid of the electoral college even though what they should be doing is writing their state legislators requesting that their state use a proportional system in divvying up electoral votes. Like Maine uses.

    If all the people in the "minority" parties for their states rallied for this, it would eventually pass. But too much focus is being placed on it being a national thing when it is totally a state thing.

    Right now, in the current system, your vote can count. If your state altered the way they delegate the EC votes. They only talk about abolishing the EC in order to make you think they actyally care.
    Last edited by Tucker Case; 07-22-09 at 02:18 PM.

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    Re: Amendment to get rid of the Electoral College?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    People are trying to get rid of the electoral college even though what they should be doing is writing their state legislators requesting that their state use a proportional system in divvying up electoral votes. Like Maine uses.

    If all the people in the "minority" parties for their states rallied for this, it would eventually pass. But too much focus is being placed on it being a national thing when it is totally a state thing.

    Right now, in the current system, your vote can count. If your state altered the way they delegate the EC votes. They only talk about abolishing the EC in order to make you think they actyally care.
    If the EC must remain, then I'd prefer proportional allocation. So if candidate A gets 52% of the popular vote in CA, he'd get 29 EV; while candidate B would get 26 EV (assuming he got 48% of the vote).

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