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    Re: You disburse the taxes

    I dont see how it would ever work. Sure I think it would be nice if I could select which programs I wanted my tax money to goto directly but it isnt going to happen. To many retarded programs would get axed and the politicians wouldnt have any pet projects. They will never allow this to happen.

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    Re: You disburse the taxes

    Wouldn't work. Some programs would be drastically overfunded (e.g. the military) while others would receive very little funding because they aren't sexy enough (e.g. upgrading our power grid). The average person doesn't have any understanding of how much or how little money is necessary to keep various programs running, and probably doesn't care.
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    Re: You disburse the taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Wouldn't work. Some programs would be drastically overfunded (e.g. the military) while others would receive very little funding because they aren't sexy enough (e.g. upgrading our power grid). The average person doesn't have any understanding of how much or how little money is necessary to keep various programs running, and probably doesn't care.
    Not to mention that 90%+ of the government spending is done on things I consider unnecessary or not the government job.

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    Re: You disburse the taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    Just a quick thought running through my head, haven't really had time to weigh it all but I thought I'd throw it out here for fun.

    We pay taxes. We give a portion of our money, to the government, which the government then decides which way they see fit to spend it.

    How about changing it, so that we decide (at tax time) the way we want to disburse the money we have given the government. For example. If, after I have filed my taxes, it shows I paid in a net of $5,000 to the federal government rather than waving goodbye to that money to be disbursed by the government to agencies/programs I do not fundamentally support, I could choose which programs I wanted to send that money to and disburse it as I see fit, amongst as many or few agencies as I wanted to.

    It would require that the federal government list all of the areas it spends money. This would lay bare, the size of our government to all. For simplicities sake, lets just say that the overall agency would receive the monies. For example, if you wanted to disburse $2,000 to defense, it would go to the DoD. You could not elect to send it to the V-22 program exclusively. Or if you wanted to send a certain amount to the interstate program, you could send it there but not choose only an interstate in your area.

    Replicate this on state and local levels, and then people can really have a voice in how their government is run. They support the programs they will use/benefit from and will not have to pay for programs they deem useless or unecessary. Considering the diversity of this country, everything should reasonably be funded by its own supporters. It would also remove the need and power of lobbyists in Washington, who try to redirect your dollars from elsewhere, in essence they would be constrained to arguing for specifics within a budget of what the tax provider has given that particular agency.

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    That would be so good but seems unworkable in the scale of things and people i do not think can judge and have knowledge of all the areas.

    I'd love to know how much of my money goes to wars and military and stop my taxes going to it and instead i would fund enviromental protection programs and foreign aid (food, medicine etc.) which is more important
    I'd happily support tax increases if i chose where my money went
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    Re: You disburse the taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Wouldn't work. Some programs would be drastically overfunded (e.g. the military) while others would receive very little funding because they aren't sexy enough (e.g. upgrading our power grid). The average person doesn't have any understanding of how much or how little money is necessary to keep various programs running, and probably doesn't care.
    And it wouldn't eliminate lobbyist firms. They would just move to lobbying individual taxpayers. Although....come to think of it, that might be better.
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    Re: You disburse the taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Wouldn't work. Some programs would be drastically overfunded (e.g. the military) while others would receive very little funding because they aren't sexy enough (e.g. upgrading our power grid). The average person doesn't have any understanding of how much or how little money is necessary to keep various programs running, and probably doesn't care.
    That's the whole idea! Vote with your wallet. People would realize very quickly what they need the government to do- if their roads are in poor conditions, you'd have to be a fool to believe that people wouldn't alter their tax disbursal towards that next time it was due.

    I think this idea gets so much flak because it would mean the elimination of many useless programs and departments, that as of now are only held aloft by lobbyists and a select minority.


    rathi, you made some points about needing to know what the budget is in order to make changes about it- and that's true, using the current system. This idea is that people put money towards what they want- it doesn't matter is the DoD has tons of money already, you don't need to know what budget it currently has to determine how much importance it has to you.

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    Re: You disburse the taxes

    I like the idea, although I would want to see an option to keep my tax dollars in my state.

    The closer I get to stay to my tax dollars the better.

    Maybe the options should be a choice between state-level spending (unemployment, AFDC, et cetera) and national-level spending (defense, interstate transportation).

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    Re: You disburse the taxes

    No one seems to realize that this would encourage Congress to finance via non-traditional ways. Especially to finance operations it wants to hide from the public. If we went down to a line item funding method, we wouldn't have any black operations listed for obvious reasons. Iran-Contra affair anyone?
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    Re: You disburse the taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Bootsavich View Post
    That's the whole idea! Vote with your wallet. People would realize very quickly what they need the government to do-
    In the mean time, the highways fall apart.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bootsavich
    if their roads are in poor conditions, you'd have to be a fool to believe that people wouldn't alter their tax disbursal towards that next time it was due.
    That is only true for programs that A) are large enough to catch the attention of the average taxpayer, B) are easily understood by the average taxpayer, and C) spend their money in a way where the taxpayer can gauge its effectiveness. There are plenty of necessary government programs that do not meet one or more of these criteria. And even for programs that DO meet all these criteria, the average taxpayer still won't pay attention until the problem gets REALLY bad. And even THEN...the taxpayers will just know that the program needs more money. They'll still have absolutely no idea how MUCH more.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bootsavich
    I think this idea gets so much flak because it would mean the elimination of many useless programs and departments, that as of now are only held aloft by lobbyists and a select minority.
    I think the whole idea of a republican government is to elect people to represent us who (in theory) devote their careers to understanding public policy issues, or to elect people who at least surround themselves with smart people. The average taxpayer has no idea which programs need money, nor should he be expected to know this.
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    Re: You disburse the taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    In the mean time, the highways fall apart.
    This is a gross exaggeration. Highways have the feature of progressively decaying, they become worse bit by bit. First the ride gets louder as the surfacing gets old, then a pothole here, a pothole there... more and more over the years. Then people say, "Hey, that pothole spilled my coffee this morning!' And presto! More money for roads.

    That is only true for programs that A) are large enough to catch the attention of the average taxpayer, B) are easily understood by the average taxpayer, and C) spend their money in a way where the taxpayer can gauge its effectiveness. There are plenty of necessary government programs that do not meet one or more of these criteria. And even for programs that DO meet all these criteria, the average taxpayer still won't pay attention until the problem gets REALLY bad. And even THEN...the taxpayers will just know that the program needs more money. They'll still have absolutely no idea how MUCH more.
    Are there any programs in particular you had in mind?
    I think the whole idea of a republican government is to elect people to represent us who (in theory) devote their careers to understanding public policy issues, or to elect people who at least surround themselves with smart people. The average taxpayer has no idea which programs need money, [b]nor should he be expected to know this.[b]
    I'm sorry, but that is an incredibly undemocratic line of thought. Citizens have a civic duty to be aware of what their government is doing. I think the primary reason our country is going down the drain is because we allow sentiments like that to pervade society so that it is acceptable to be unaware of what our government does, and what the constitution specifies their role is.

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