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  • Hate is a choice - a person chooses to hate

    29 63.04%
  • Hate is not a choice - hateful people are unconscious to their own behaviour

    6 13.04%
  • Hateful people have a mental illness

    4 8.70%
  • Hateful people have given up on themselves and no longer care if they are decent people or not

    3 6.52%
  • Hateful people deserve our compassion because they're in such bad shape as human beings

    5 10.87%
  • Other

    16 34.78%
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    Re: Is hate a Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    First, It seems that generalized hatred towards a group is always being viewed as a bad thing. I don't think that is the case.

    For example, I HATE pedophiles. I despise them. If I could, I would personally beat the crap out of each and every one of them if I could.

    I don't think there is anything wrong with my hatred of these people.

    I also don't think my hatred is because of an arbitrary distinction.

    And that's the issue.

    Hating an entire group of people for arbitrary reasons, such as race religion, gender, non-victimizing lifestyle choices, etc. is wrong, IMO.

    Hating a group of people for specific reasons, such as for behaviors they engage in that harm others, is not necessarily wrong.

    I hate lots of groups of people. I don't hate for arbitrary reasons though.

    In fact, I would say that EVERYBODY hates some group of people. I think it's totally natural.

    I think that bigotry stems form this natural inclination to hate abhorrent behaviors because bigots ignorantly apply abhorrent behaviors to a group based on arbitrary distinctions. They overgeneralize behaviors present in a subgroup to the main group because of arbitrary similarities between the subgroup and the main group.

    Hatred itself is not bad, but bigotry is. Bigotry is a product of a combination of natural emotions and ignorance. It is not necessarily a "choice" because the ignorance is the primary cause. If it is willful ignorance, then it is clearly a choice. If it is ignorance bred from inexperience or teaching, it isn't necessarily a choice.
    I don't agree that generalised hatred towards a group is ALWAYS being veiwed as a bad thing. I can understand you hating pedophiles, that's fair enough.

    I am probably more interested here in the stronger level / degrees of hate more than in any garden-variety level of hate.

    Hatred itself, if left unchecked, and left to run amok, IS bad. People can / do violent things out of intense and unchecked levels of hatred.

    I think hate is a choice - while at the same time I acknowledge that some people are unconscious to their own behaviour - and therefore see no reason / need to change...

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    Re: Is hate a Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    When people look inward and all that is staring back at them is a sense of worthlesness, unhapiness, and frustration, one way of dealing with it is through some honest soul searching and positive steps taken to elevate their self esteem. Few people take this route. More commonly, they joust at windmlls rather than turning inward, and their creation of groups to despise is their way of feeling better about themselves. Of course, ths is just an illusion since tearing down others doesn't really satisfy, but it offers the person a less than honest way of elevating themself.
    And there are perhaps even some who NEVER go inside - to look inward. From fear of what is there... ah, their own selves! What is disowned in a person is often projected onto others.

    A great way of knowing a person's character is in how they treat others. It's so often very telling.

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    Re: Is hate a Choice?

    Hatred is anger accepted. That is once you find an act, idea, or condition that angers you, it becomes internalized to the point of hatred. This may be just or unjust. Anger towards a group due to ethnicity or religion, is generally unjust. Where as the hatred of people who commit certain acts, may very well be justified.

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    Re: Is hate a Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post


    I am unfamiliar with this "personaility" test, or measurement you refer to. I'd like to know where I fall :crosses fingers for LMNOP:
    Here is one of those tests based on Myers Briggs:

    Personality test based on Jung - Myers-Briggs typology

    I am an INFP

    Please come back and tell us what you are

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    Re: Is hate a Choice?

    I am a ENTJ by the test Gwendolin posted.

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    Re: Is hate a Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by windovervocalcords View Post
    For most of us hate is a choice.

    Now, that said, what about psychopaths who have no conscience and are born not made?

    They behave hatefully. Do they really have choice.
    I think that is an entire thread of its own, somehow. I think some refer to it as the "bad seed". I'm not sure if they are born that way. I like to think that every person alive has a choice, no matter how slim, or unlikely... of redeeming themselves... in some way or another...

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    Re: Is hate a Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gwendoline View Post
    I think that is an entire thread of its own, somehow. I think some refer to it as the "bad seed". I'm not sure if they are born that way. I like to think that every person alive has a choice, no matter how slim, or unlikely... of redeeming themselves... in some way or another...
    I believe this too, on the other hands, the odds aren't good.

    However, one of my boys, who went to prison for several years for being an accessory to a double homicide...at the time he went, I thought he was damn lucky that he hadn't killed someone, himself, at that point. And, when I hooked up with him and bought dinner for him and his new wife in May, he told me that while it sucked going to prison for 7 years, it probably saved his life. He followed the advice I gave him before he went in: go to school, get an education, keep your head down, follow the rules, and survive. And, the fact that he did has meant that he's been successful at working since he got out. He still has some anger issues, but he's a good dad, and I think he's a good husband, too. He's changed his life, and truthfully, I think no one who knew him in those days would have believed it was possible for him to do so (except maybe me, I always liked him and thought he had a big heart).

    But...I would say that he is the exception, not the rule.

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    Re: Is hate a Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    I had you pegged for a qwert, myself.


    I only say that because I am an intj, though.
    I have to ask: What is a qwert?

    We have an "IN" in common, I see. I used to be an INTP, but I saw the light to becoming an INFP.

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    Re: Is hate a Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gwendoline View Post
    I have to ask: What is a qwert?

    We have an "IN" in common, I see. I used to be an INTP, but I saw the light to becoming an INFP.
    Yay for you in embracing your feelings!

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    Re: Is hate a Choice?

    Apparently I'm an ENTJ.

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