Hate is a choice - a person chooses to hate
Hate is not a choice - hateful people are unconscious to their own behaviour
Hateful people have a mental illness
Hateful people have given up on themselves and no longer care if they are decent people or not
Hateful people deserve our compassion because they're in such bad shape as human beings
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Lack of empathy is by definition one of the signs of psychopathy. Glibness, superficial charm and deceit are others.
I find the idea of enjoying the suffering of others repulsive; that's just my opinon. I don't enjoy the misfortune of others, not even my enemies.
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I appreciate that you have read the work of Dr Robert Hare and this makes you believe that people are born psychopaths. However as I do not have the book and no real wish to read it, I want to know how he can possible state that people are born psychopaths.
As you have read the book and are saying this is the case please me know how he validates this claim.
The link I presented to you illustrates someone who worked with psychopaths and if you had read the link you would have found that he did indeed believe he had cured them by forming a relationship and being there with them as they very gradually over a period of years gained trust towards him and were able to relive the traumas or as he put it frozen terror they had experienced which had caused them to lose their ability to feel and become psychopaths. This clearly contradicts what you said.
Please let me know how Dr Rober Hare justifies his assertation that people are born psychopathic. I believe the work I illustrated is proof this is not true.
Nice meeting you though.
I have included numerous links to Robert Hare research and articles. Here is one:
Fraud Magazine Cover Article - July-August 2008
and here is another;
A Reporter at Large: Suffering Souls : The New Yorker
Here is another worth taking a look at for any interested poster;
So says a new study carried out by Dr. Essi Viding of Kings College, London. Dr. Viding carried out his research using twins and found that psychopathic tendencies are highly heritable.
New research on the origins of antisocial behaviour, published in the Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry, suggests that early-onset antisocial behaviour in children with psychopathic tendencies is largely inherited.
The findings are the result of extensive research funded by the Medical Research Council, the Department of Health and the Home Office, and carried out by Dr. Essi Viding of the MRC Social, Genetic and Developmental Psychiatry Centre, within the Institute of Psychiatry, King's College London.
Past research has shown that children with early-onset antisocial behaviour show problem behaviours for a variety of different reasons. One warning sign of vulnerability for antisocial behaviour is psychopathic tendencies, i.e. lack of empathy and remorse. Dr Viding's research looked into the factors that contribute to antisocial behaviour in children with and without psychopathic tendencies. By studying sets of 7-year-old twins, Dr. Viding and her colleagues were able to pinpoint to what extent antisocial behaviour in these two groups was caused by genetic and/or environmental risk factors.
Mangan's: Psychopaths Born, Not Made
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I'll admit that since dogs are pretty much my world (except for my kid) that's a huge hot button with me. I don't hate the man, but I don't think he should ever be looked up to or given a chance to be a public symbol ever again. But, again, you're talking to possibly the biggest dog person you'll ever run across, here! I have lived and breathed dogs since childhood- I am obsessed, and have had and rescued and shown and raised and trained hundreds of them, and sacrificed just about everything to care for dogs. I probably can't be 100% objective here
This is NOT a thread about psychopaths exclusively. I can understand your interest in the subject, and that's why I encourage you to start a thread about psychopaths, exclusively. It is a big subject, you obviously have many links to psychopathic bevaviour, etc... so an entire new thread discussing psychopaths would do justice to that.
I think its somehow a kind of controlled "instincs" ..
I thought I'd post a couple of quite divergent ideas / premises around the subject / area of hate.
The first, I think, is quite an interesting explanation / perspective of a look into the mind of a racist.
The second is quite a polemic piece on the question of "choice" and of its implications:
Interview with Ruth Williams and Andrew Samuels:
RW: In Chapter 10 * you say that "racists actually want to eliminate themselves". I didn't understand that. What do you mean by that?
AS: This came out of one of those political clinics. I have developed a method of finding out people's private reactions to political issues by encouraging them to imagine themselves as if they were therapists and to regard the political issue - racism in this case - as a client. The images that came up – which were spontaneous although there was a group associative process of course – were very much of completely empty landscapes, as if the racist does not want anyone to exist at all. So there was a great deal of what you might call self-loathing and self-annihilation involved in racism which I had not expected to find. And the audience – people from groups concerned with ethnic minorities (I was very daunted because of course I'm not a specialist in anything) - they joined in on this and were quite shocked because their way of thinking was that the racist wants his country back, or he wants to own the land, repopulate it with his own type, not being able to cope with difference. So it was very revealing to see that the racist was actually totally self-annihilating as well.
RW: I don't quite understand that.
AS: I don't really understand it either.
RW: I can understand the empty landscape with no one but the person of "pure race".
AS: That's what I would have expected. That's what I thought we might find. But no. No one at all. Polar. Tundra. Nobody. Nobody. I can't explain it. We couldn't. But what it lead to was a very deep and fascinating discussion about racism that felt a bit new.
* Politics on the Couch: Citizenship and the Internal Life - Andrew Samuels
Isaac Beshevis Singer in an interview for Parabola Magazine.
I would say that behind all my ideas... is the freedom of choice. I feel that the freedom of choice is the very essence of life. We have one great gift from God and this is to choose. And we always indulge in choosing. If we pay attention to one thing, we have chosen to pay attention to it. If we love somebody, we have chosen this person for love. This is in every act of humanity. To me, God is freedom. And nature, to me, is necessity... When people leave free choice, the demons appear. The demons are in a way the dark side of nature which we choose. If we stop completely believing in our power [of choice], then other powers can come upon us. In other words, the demon to me is a negative side of free choice. Demons come when people resign themselves... when people say to themselves, "I'm not going to make any choices anymore. I will just let the powers work for themselves." It is then that the demon is bound to appear. The danger is always there - like a medical doctor who will tell you that the microbes are always there in your mouth and in your stomach, and if you become weak, they begin to multiply and become strong... Just as we are medically surrounded by dangerous microbes, so our spirit has always to fight melancholy and disbelief and viciousness and cruelty and all kinds of things.