View Poll Results: Is Hate a Choice?

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  • Hate is a choice - a person chooses to hate

    29 63.04%
  • Hate is not a choice - hateful people are unconscious to their own behaviour

    6 13.04%
  • Hateful people have a mental illness

    4 8.70%
  • Hateful people have given up on themselves and no longer care if they are decent people or not

    3 6.52%
  • Hateful people deserve our compassion because they're in such bad shape as human beings

    5 10.87%
  • Other

    16 34.78%
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    Re: Is hate a Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by windovervocalcords View Post
    You hate the person, but it is a choice to do so, even if it doesn't feel that way at the time.

    There are people who are able to turn around their minds and hearts even after such a devastating life experience as the rape of a child. It doesn't mean the deed goes without punishment and it doesn't mean there is true reconciliation between the victims family and the perpetrator.

    I'm thinking of victims who are opposed to the death penalty, for example.

    Hate is a choice. I agree. I also believe it can be a valuable tool....


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    Re: Is hate a Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Wind has a great deal of experience in combat. You should listen to her.


    Really? Where? I am always interested in stories of combat by the fairer sex.....


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    Re: Is hate a Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by windovervocalcords View Post
    They are like the color blind. They can manage in the world and memorize where the red light is but they don't see the variations of color.
    Off topic: That's not really how it works at all. We don't memorize where the red light is. That's a myth that was created by people with normal color vision that has absolutely no basis in reality. The red light and the green light are at totally different in their "degree of color" and are easily differentiated.

    We wouldn't be able to drive at night at all if this idea was actually true because there is no way to tell which light (top or bottom) was the one that is lit.

    In my life I have only encountered two situations where my color-blindness has been an issue with Stoplights:

    1. The shade of the yellow light is not uniform. It often varies from one stoplight to the other. If it is darker, it might appear to be the red light. If it is a lighter yellow, it might seem green. And even then, it is only ever a factor if it is close to one of these extremes AND you have glanced away during the moment when the light has changed from green to yellow AND it all happens at night.

    In 16 years of driving, this has happened to me one time that I can remember

    2. This one actually would support the memorization concept if it were common, but thankfully it isn't. There is one stoplight near my home that has a really light shade of red for the red light. At night, I can't tell if it is green or red. This is extremely uncommon, and I have only found this one stoplight that has this issue. What I do is avoid this stoplight at night altogether. That is an extreme case though.



    Returning to psychopathy topic (bear with me, it'll make sense in a few paragraphs):

    What actually occurs with color-blind people is that they learn to associate the names of colors quite differently than those with normal color-vision do. We can differentiate the different shades of a color better than a person with normal vision can, actually. If you were to place two similar blues next to each other, the colorblind person would do a better job telling the two apart than a person with normal vision would.

    There may indeed be a natural re-wiring of the brain involved, or it might be a learned adaptation. Studies have shown that colorblind people will actually name a color correctly at a very high rate (approaching 90% accuracy). But they won't be able to differentiate between a red and a brown and a green of the same level of "intensity".

    My theory on this is actually based on the commonness of a particular intensity of a color. If a certain shade of red is very common but actually looks like a certain shade brown through my eyes that is not very common, I will "name" both the common red and uncommon brown as "red" even though what I actually see is brown in both cases.

    Conversely, if I see an uncommon shade of red that looks like a common shade of brown to me, I will call both of them "brown".

    This makes it so that the basic principles of red, green, brown, etc have no frame of reference for me. I name colors based on what is most often correct when I see that shade and not on what I actually see. To me, certain browns are "red" even though I see brown just fine. The concept of red doesn't exist for me as it does for normal folks.

    In this way, it relates to psychopaths. They have no natural capacity for empathy, but they can LEARN what behavioral responses will get them the best rewards. They can learn to emulate empathy, but they can never truly understand empathy.

    Empathy for them is like Purple for me. It's a lovely concept in theory, but they'll just have to take your word for it that it exists.

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    Re: Is hate a Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by windovervocalcords View Post
    Schadenfreude is pleasure derived from the misfortunes of others. Researchers have found that people with low self-esteem are more likely to feel schadenfreude than are people who have high self-esteem.
    But people with normal to high self esteem also experience it, right? So BFD. My self esteem is quite high and I love when someone gets their's. It's one of the great pleasures in life, actually.
    Wow. Am I awesome or what?

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    Re: Is hate a Choice?

    I think all of them are true in some way or another.

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    Re: Is hate a Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by windovervocalcords View Post
    Due some reading and attend to brain differences in psychopaths. I hope you never run into them. They thrive on the naive and are great manipulators.
    You asked me to provide a link for what I argued. This I did and also questioned on what basis you could believe a person could be born in the way you described.

    You totally ignored the material in the link and gave this somewhat rude reply.

    If you expect me to back up what I say then I suggest that you do the same yourself.

    And please do not be so patronising. I have indeed known at least one psychopath.

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    Re: Is hate a Choice?

    My instincitve reaction is "Yes, it's a choice. It's a choice which I do not often make."

    However, further thought on the issue has changed my view slightly. Yes, hate would be a choice for me. I was raised that hate (as defined as hatred or judgment towards someone which disagrees with me or promotes things I find repulsive) isn't really a valid option. I was taught to embrace and at least accept people and lifestyles, even if I don't like them or agree with them.

    Someone raised in a very different way may know no better than to blindly hate and alienate those who disagree with him. For that person, hate may not be the only option he knows, which makes it less of a choice and more of a natural response.

    Even when I come across the most opposite person to me, whom I cannot relate to nearly at all, I try REALLY hard to learn where and from what this person came, and to understand his views, and reach a middle ground. If I cannot reach a middle ground, I at least aim for mutual respect. It's not always easy, but it's always worth a shot.

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    Re: Is hate a Choice?

    I do not take pleasure in the misfortune of others, even of people I am not fond of. I might be happy, for example, if someone I support wins an election, but I don't get pleasure out of the disappointment the loser must be feeling. I was actually genuinely sad for McCain, for example, when he lost. I certainly would not get pleasure out of knowing someone in my personal life was suffering, even if it was someone I don't care for, or who had wronged me. For the record, my self esteem is probably mediocre. High in ways, and tragically low in others, so I'm not sure the two are related.

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    Re: Is hate a Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Slithering Rainbow View Post
    I do not take pleasure in the misfortune of others, even of people I am not fond of. I might be happy, for example, if someone I support wins an election, but I don't get pleasure out of the disappointment the loser must be feeling. I was actually genuinely sad for McCain, for example, when he lost. I certainly would not get pleasure out of knowing someone in my personal life was suffering, even if it was someone I don't care for, or who had wronged me. For the record, my self esteem is probably mediocre. High in ways, and tragically low in others, so I'm not sure the two are related.
    The pleasure is in seeing someone get their's, not in random misfortune. Even random misfortune for someone you dislike may not fit the bill. Unless, of course, you dislike them because they are a thief and their car is stolen. That would rock. McCain lied during his campaign and ran awful campaign, but he's basically a good guy. So no matter who you supported it would seem odd to revel in his defeat. Watching Michael Vick lose his fortune for torturing innocent dogs was a pleasure for me. He got his. And if he turns his life around I hope he gets his back.
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    Re: Is hate a Choice?

    A lot of people are really blinded by hatred. I think that hatred can be a choice, but in many cases it isn't, where someone does or says something that they normally wouldn't do thinking clearly, and then regret it.
    "All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language...No man is an island, entire of itself...any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee." - John Donne

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