View Poll Results: What's next for the United States?

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  • More rigorous and extensive manned exploration of moon.

    20 52.63%
  • Permanent lunar colonies

    17 44.74%
  • Construction of "O'Neill" habitats.

    6 15.79%
  • Mars exploration with goal of colonization.

    21 55.26%
  • Asteroidal/comet exploitation?

    11 28.95%
  • Other

    10 26.32%
  • Nothing. Abandon space to the robots.

    7 18.42%
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Thread: Space Goals For America: What Next?

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    Space Goals For America: What Next?

    Well, today is the 40th anniversary of the most monumental occasion in the history of life on earth: The landing of men on the moon.

    What should the next generation do for an encore, since the generation following Armstrong's decided to waste their time and resources on a frivolous pursuit of socialism and hedonism?

    Should the next generation of young continue to lie to themselves and continue root in the mud trying to rescue the failed socialist experiment, or should they raise their heads and aim for the stars?

    I say to aim high.

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    Re: Space Goals For America: What Next?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Well, today is the 40th anniversary of the most monumental occasion in the history of life on earth: The landing of men on the moon.

    What should the next generation do for an encore, since the generation following Armstrong's decided to waste their time and resources on a frivolous pursuit of socialism and hedonism?

    Should the next generation of young continue to lie to themselves and continue root in the mud trying to rescue the failed socialist experiment, or should they raise their heads and aim for the stars?

    I say to aim high.
    I see. So you want to spend taxpayer money on frivolous stunts, instead of on things that are actually useful to people. Got it.
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    Re: Space Goals For America: What Next?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Well, today is the 40th anniversary of the most monumental occasion in the history of life on earth: The landing of men on the moon.

    What should the next generation do for an encore, since the generation following Armstrong's decided to waste their time and resources on a frivolous pursuit of socialism and hedonism?

    Should the next generation of young continue to lie to themselves and continue root in the mud trying to rescue the failed socialist experiment, or should they raise their heads and aim for the stars?

    I say to aim high.
    Ok so, instead of attacking you like Kandahar did, I will humor you with my opinion.

    I don't think the younger generation has been frivolous, its just that there have been a wave of newer and bigger problems. However, I think ignoring the exploration of the moon and Mars is ridiculous. There should be more of that. The more research we put into this kind of thing, the closer we are to finding other planets and galaxies that can sustain life.


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    Re: Space Goals For America: What Next?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I see. So you want to spend taxpayer money on frivolous stunts, instead of on things that are actually useful to people. Got it.
    I see.

    You can't wait the scant minutes needed for the poll options to be posted.

    IMO the moon should be claimed as US territory, if the natives don't protest, and used as a military installation for national defense and subsequently developed into an civillian commercial industrial playground.

    Your assumption that space isn't useful is illustrative of your ignorance, and not a reflection of reality.
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    Re: Space Goals For America: What Next?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    Ok so, instead of attacking you like Kandahar did, I will humor you with my opinion.

    I don't think the younger generation has been frivolous, its just that there have been a wave of newer and bigger problems. However, I think ignoring the exploration of the moon and Mars is ridiculous. There should be more of that. The more research we put into this kind of thing, the closer we are to finding other planets and galaxies that can sustain life.
    There is nothing that human astronauts can do on other worlds, which robots can't do more efficiently, cheaply, easily, and safely. Space colonization will eventually become technologically feasible...several decades from now. There is no need we need to send humans to other worlds right NOW, when we have pressing concerns here at home.
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    Re: Space Goals For America: What Next?

    We should focusing first on making it cheap to get into space. Any space related activity from benefit from such research, so it should be top priority.

    Manned space activities should be phased out whenever possible using robots. The logistics of getting people into space and keeping them functional are far too high. We managed to send robots to mars without a huge problem, and but we are decades away from being able to send people.

    Finally, we should look at some commercial activity in addition to research. Observing asteroids for valuable materials and investigating microgravity manufacturing would be good first steps.

    Space technology certainly has its uses, but we have to remember its not the cold war anymore. We aren't trying to one up the soviets, we are looking at practical uses. We all talk about putting a man on the moon, but satellite technology was actually the most important thing our space program ever brought.
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    Re: Space Goals For America: What Next?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    I see.

    You can't wait the scant minutes needed for the poll options to be posted.

    IMO the moon should be claimed as US territory, if the natives don't protest, and used as a military installation for national defense and subsequently developed into an civillian commercial industrial playground.

    Your assumption that space isn't useful is illustrative of your ignorance, and not a reflection of reality.
    I didn't say that space wasn't useful. But it's certainly not very useful right NOW. Your fantasies about using the moon as a military base and industrial playground are a LONG way from being a reality. Until we have workable nuclear fusion and mature nanotechnology, there is really no point sending people to the moon or any other world. It's just too expensive and impractical.
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    Re: Space Goals For America: What Next?

    Anyway, my vote is for:

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    More pure research. More unmanned missions to other worlds.

    Nothing. Abandon space to the robots.
    This should be our nation's attitude toward manned exploration, at least in the short term.
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    Re: Space Goals For America: What Next?

    Either go for the moon or leave it to the robots. Without the excitement of racing the Soviets to the moon there is little justification for undertaking a mission on the scale of a manned mission to or precursors for a manned mission to Mars. There's no way to get the necessary support for an endeavor of that kind of budget. The moon would be a good way to ease America back into serious space missions

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    There is nothing that human astronauts can do on other worlds, which robots can't do more efficiently, cheaply, easily, and safely.
    Except get themselves off of a lump of dirt



    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    IMO the moon should be claimed as US territory, if the natives don't protest, and used as a military installation for national defense and subsequently developed into an civillian commercial industrial playground.

    There are already treaties banning claims of ownership over territory in space, and that's the way it should stay. Until it is possible for people to genuinely reside on some celestial body space should remain in the realm of science and belong to all mankind

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    Re: Space Goals For America: What Next?

    I don't really see a purpose in lunar colonies, and think claiming it for the US and putting military stuff up there is beyond dumb. Mining asteroids and such is a pipe dream. While there can be interesting science found by probing space and looking at planets, manned flights for the time being aren't quite as useful.
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