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    Re: New Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    Being totally ignorant of your system, for which i apologise, how does Health care work for the unemployed? and low income category?

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    There are some government programs, such as medicaid, to provide for this. Medicaid in particular has many, many flaws which can make things difficult.


    EDIT:

    I should elaborate a bit more for clarity, Medicaid does not cover all the unemployed or low income. Generally, there are other requirements to be in the program that vary from state to state.

    The US currently has no nationalized health care blanket for ALL unemployed or low income people- as it should be.
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    Re: New Health Care Plan

    Against.

    As two persons already so succinctly listed their reasons, which coincide closely with mine, I will combine their lists:

    • It will increase our deficit
    • It is immoral
    • It is not the government's place to issue health insurance
    • It will lead to the stifling of free market health care
    • I don't want to see tax increases to pay for it
    • I do not believe it to be Constitutional
    • It costs too much
    • It will raise healthcare costs to the individual
    • It does nothing to restrain the growth of healthcare costs


    Furthermore, I believe there are other measures which can be taken, not necessarily by the government, to reduce the costs of healthcare.
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    Re: New Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Intransigent Atheist View Post
    Are you for, against, or neutral on the new health care plan?
    I am against it. I am not a socialist.If you want health care pay for it yourself, it is not the government's job to provide health care nor is their job to steal money from me in the form of taxes just so someone else can have it.
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    Re: New Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Against.

    As two persons already so succinctly listed their reasons, which coincide closely with mine, I will combine their lists:

    • It will increase our deficit FALSE
    • It is immoral OPINION
    • It is not the government's place to issue health insurance OPINION
    • It will lead to the stifling of free market health care TRUE
    • I don't want to see tax increases to pay for it FAIR ENOUGH
    • I do not believe it to be Constitutional TRUE
    • It costs too much
    • It will raise healthcare costs to the individual
    • It does nothing to restrain the growth of healthcare costs


    Furthermore, I believe there are other measures which can be taken, not necessarily by the government, to reduce the costs of healthcare.
    And when it comes to it not restraining the growth of healthcare costs there is specific examples from reducing overhead costs and rationing that could possibly reduce costs.



    I just believe that Obama and the Democrats should at least have a chance to try out their plan of government healthcare so there can be no questions about who is to blame if they fail... or susceed.

    I could possibly swallow increased taxes during a recession, but PROGRESSIVE taxes in a recession is a foolish idea. A tax on the wealthest Americas of FIVE percent is proposed. That would kill our economy now.

    If anything, a flat tax for universal healthcare like in Europe would be a good idea. And a sales tax to pay for healthcare would be even better.



    I am just very annoyed at what Obama said at a ralley in New Jersey with Corzine that I vollunteered for.

    Obama was saying that we have two choices, between substidies and huge healthcare costs, or his plan. And that Republicans would continue the status quo. Maybe Republican plans are useless now for healthcare, but Obama was ignoring that those "substidies" for healthcare companies are medicare, medicaid and no taxes on healthcare provided by companies. And of course, Obama supports all of that government intervention.

    The Republicans need to push through a true free market plan of taxes on healthcare and reductions to healthcare spending, because the only other option is in the other direction with Obama's plan.

    I want the choice to be between private and government plans, instead of substidized private healthcare and government plans.

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    Re: New Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Intransigent Atheist View Post
    Are you for, against, or neutral on the new health care plan?
    Where is the "other" option? I think you might have dropped it on your way over here.

    Also, which plan?
    Last edited by Cilogy; 07-20-09 at 10:31 PM.


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    Re: New Health Care Plan

    What's the estimated cost? Something like $1.6 trillion? Yeah, thanks but no thanks.

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    Re: New Health Care Plan

    I see a couple of problems with the government and health care.

    What has the government ever run, that ran alright and on budget.

    I'm sure our fearless leaders won't have the same health care plan,as we the people.

    I'm sure that their will be a decline in people wanting to be doctors.

    The government telling someone it's not in the budget for them to have the care they need,sorry.

    I don't want Joe the plumber as my doctor.

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    Re: New Health Care Plan

    I don't want Joe the plumber as my doctor.
    See, that's the common misconception about this. People think that all the doctors will magically change into someone less qualified. But, its likely that the govt run plan will force very many potential doctors to choose a different profession.


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    Re: New Health Care Plan

    Who do you think the doctors will be for the public health care.
    Remember you have the upper 50% and the lower50% of doctors graduating from school,which will go to work for the government plan,it won't be the upper 50%.
    So you can pick the best doctor of the lower 50% what a deal.

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    Re: New Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Bootsavich View Post
    There are some government programs, such as medicaid, to provide for this. Medicaid in particular has many, many flaws which can make things difficult.


    EDIT:

    I should elaborate a bit more for clarity, Medicaid does not cover all the unemployed or low income. Generally, there are other requirements to be in the program that vary from state to state.

    The US currently has no nationalized health care blanket for ALL unemployed or low income people- as it should be.
    So you are in-fact saying there are portions of society with NO facility for obtaining medical treatment?
    Our National Health service has its many faults, but by enlarge you get a fairly good service. Its generally waiting times that seem contentious. In saying that if you have the money there's always the private option with companies such as Bupa.

    Edited to add. I take it, as it stands an individual pays X amount for Healthcare insurance. And the government may be imposing a different system?

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    Last edited by gunner; 07-21-09 at 02:58 AM.
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