View Poll Results: Are you willing to be fined for simply living?

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  • No.

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  • Don't care one way or the other. IT'S HEALTH INSURENCE!!!

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    Re: Are you willing...

    The thing is, people without health insurance are costing those who have it a great deal because most necessary medical procedures, doctors are legally required to carry out whether the patient is covered or not. Often the patient cannot pay, and the cost is shifted towards those with insurance.

    However, fining those people without insurance only makes sense if there exists a free government plan competing with the private ones. It wouldn't look very good to fine people who can't even afford health insurance.

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    Re: Are you willing...

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Emergency personnel already do this to identify someone, find next of kin, get blood type, find out about medical conditions, etc.
    Do they delay life-saving treatment until they locate these things?

    All insurance should be eliminated. No need to 'protect oneself'
    Eliminate insurance? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Of course not. The only "moral obligation" anyone has to anyone else is the one they decide for themselves.
    So, if you are in a room with five men and one of them proceeds to rape you the other four men have no obligation whatsoever to assist you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The hospital will eventually sell my debt to a collection agency.
    You CANNOT pay. What collection agency is going to purchase that debt, or even a fraction of it? It's a massive, unfunded liability.

    I wouldn't owe "society" anything.

    I would owe a hospital first, then perhaps a collection agency, then a different collection agency if the first sold my debt, and again, and again....
    No private business could assume the financial burdens of providing free emergency care to consumers - society would inevitably incur the costs.

    Well they could sue me, but you don't go to jail over civil matters. If they got a judgment they could place a lean on my property, garnish my wages, etc.
    That's fine. If your house and car will cover it then they will cover it. But what hapens if you do not possess the assets necessary to cover the costs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    No part of any respectable, constructive conversation is about emergency care.
    I wasn't asking you.

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    Re: Are you willing...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Do they delay life-saving treatment until they locate these things?
    Not in my experience, no. We found the info we could on the ambulance and conveyed it to the hospital staff upon arrival.

    Eliminate insurance? How?
    I dunno how, I just know it needs to be done. Insurance combined with government bull**** is why prices go up and up and up. Eliminate those influences and prices drop.

    So, if you are in a room with five men and one of them proceeds to rape you the other four men have no obligation whatsoever to assist you?
    Why would they have any innate obligation to help me? They would only have an obligation if THEY feel they have an obligation.

    You CANNOT pay. What collection agency is going to purchase that debt, or even a fraction of it? It's a massive, unfunded liability.
    Collection agencies take on massive debts all the time. Courts can take away assets and garnish wages too.

    No private business could assume the financial burdens of providing free emergency care to consumers - society would inevitably incur the costs.
    Obviously, if they make bad business decisions and are unable to stay out of the red, then they should close up shop and let another, better run business take their place.

    That's fine. If your house and car will cover it then they will cover it. But what hapens if you do not possess the assets necessary to cover the costs?
    The same thing that happens any other time someone incurs a debt and doesn't pay it. Why do you keep insisting that doctors or hospitals are unique from any other business?

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    Re: Are you willing...

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I keep hearing about personal responsibility, and "the government doesn't have the right to tell ME I have to have health insurance."
    As long as the government is providing the health insurance, I don't have any objection to paying for it-- whether you want to word it that way or not, that's a tax. No different than the registration on my car.

    It's government forcing me to do business with a private insurer which offends me.

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    Re: Are you willing...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    You CANNOT pay. What collection agency is going to purchase that debt, or even a fraction of it? It's a massive, unfunded liability.
    That's why every time a debt is sold, your FICO goes down. These collections agencies are good at their job and collect enough debts to not merely stay in business, but thrive.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    No private business could assume the financial burdens of providing free emergency care to consumers - society would inevitably incur the costs.
    I never said it would be free.

    What happens is since the hospital can't sell a debt for what the debt value is, they have to take a loss. That loss would otherwise harm the bottom line, so the loss is passed on to every other costumer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    That's fine. If your house and car will cover it then they will cover it. But what hapens if you do not possess the assets necessary to cover the costs?
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    Well then they would have to eat the cost.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I wasn't asking you.
    This is not a Private Debate.

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