View Poll Results: Are you willing to be fined for simply living?

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  • Don't care one way or the other. IT'S HEALTH INSURENCE!!!

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    Re: Are you willing...

    I guess thats was a stupid idea. Heres an idea, we could euthanize all terminal patients. And for those who refuse the government plan. Just let them die, if they don't want to get with the program thats there own fault.
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    Re: Are you willing...

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    blah blah blah. How about tort reform as a means to lower malpractice insurance. Wouldn't that help to reduce the cost of healthcare? blah blah blah
    I don't think that in necessary because the amount of doctors are declining and the real way to fix it is lift the AMA controlling how many doctors are licensed each year.

    More doctors make more premium payers which should lower the insurance rates.
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    Re: Are you willing...

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    While you're unconscious?

    If you're conscious, sure. They already do that anyway.
    If you are unconscious, I suppose finding out who you are would be a good first step. If that is not possible, or one's ability to pay is indeterminate, it is up to the hospital/doctor whether they want to take the risk. If they say no, then no it is.


    LOL You're preaching to the choir here, babe.
    I know. Just clarifying.
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    Re: Are you willing...

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It's a wonderful compromise.
    Thank you.

    I'd add that you can't bankrupt out of medical bills, considering they may have saved your life.
    I agree completely.
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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Are you willing...

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    I guess thats was a stupid idea. Heres an idea, we could euthanize all terminal patients. And for those who refuse the government plan. Just let them die, if they don't want to get with the program thats there own fault.
    Or...the could buy their own insurance. Or...the could pay for the service out of pocket. Folks would have choices.
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    Re: Are you willing...

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Same thing that happens when you fault on any other debt.
    Oh, you mean not pay a damn thing? Where does that leave the tax payers you forced into paying for your treatment?

    Any private business should be allowed to refuse service to any person for any reason.
    Basically, no individual has any moral obligation to anyone, ever?

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    Re: Are you willing...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Because it's barbaric. Doctors shouldn't be fishing through an unconscious man's wallet in order to get his insurance information.
    Emergency personnel already do this to identify someone, find next of kin, get blood type, find out about medical conditions, etc.

    However, a person may or may not have a wallet on them OR may or may not have their insurance card on them.


    Knowing you could face jail time for receiving free health care is a strong incentive to purchase insurance; this avoids having to mandate it.



    I agree, private charities should be the main pillar of health care, but in a plan such as the one I outline people must be held responsible for failing to protect themselves.
    All insurance should be eliminated. No need to 'protect oneself'

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    Re: Are you willing...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    What happens if you can't pay for it?
    The hospital will eventually sell my debt to a collection agency.

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    How do you repay your debt to society?
    I wouldn't owe "society" anything.

    I would owe a hospital first, then perhaps a collection agency, then a different collection agency if the first sold my debt, and again, and again....

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Jail time?
    Well they could sue me, but you don't go to jail over civil matters. If they got a judgment they could place a lean on my property, garnish my wages, etc.

    This is all assuming I couldn't reach a settlement.

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    Re: Are you willing...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Oh, you mean not pay a damn thing?
    If you hire someone do something for you, and they do it and you don't pay them, what happens? They take you to court.

    Where does that leave the tax payers you forced into paying for your treatment?
    Why do the taxpayers have to be involved? We're talking about a private business who extended a line of credit. Nothing more. No government involvement necessary.

    Basically, no individual has any moral obligation to anyone, ever?
    Of course not. The only "moral obligation" anyone has to anyone else is the one they decide for themselves.

    The free market will take care of it. If you found out a hospital or doctor is letting people die on their steps, are you going to use their services? Do you think many others will?

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    Re: Are you willing...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    So, a child is brought to a private practice with life-threatening injuries, the doctors can just refuse treatment?
    No part of any respectable, constructive conversation is about emergency care.

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