View Poll Results: Are you willing to be fined for simply living?

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  • Don't care one way or the other. IT'S HEALTH INSURENCE!!!

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    Re: Are you willing...

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    I don't expect the government to pay ****. Like Jerry, I expect the hospital to send me a bill. Which they have always done.

    But no hospital can know if you have insurance or not, or what your ability to pay is while you're laying bleeding to death, unconscious on a gurney. Thus, life saving emergency care isn't really in the equation.

    However, I do fully support any doctor and hospital's right to deny services to anyone for any reason.
    And a hospital can ask to see your insurance card. And a hospital can ask for payment at the time of service, or a deposit prior to treatment. And if you have no insurance, cannot pay at the time of service, or even place a deposit, then the hospital should have the right to refuse to serve you. Government assistance in these cases should not be an option. If the hospital chooses to treat you without an expectation of payment, that's their business. Of course if they go bankrupt for doing this, there should be no government bailout, either.
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    Re: Are you willing...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    No I expect them to mail me the bill.
    What happens if you can't pay for it? How do you repay your debt to society? Jail time? Sounds good to me.

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    Re: Are you willing...

    blah blah blah. How about tort reform as a means to lower malpractice insurance. Wouldn't that help to reduce the cost of healthcare? blah blah blah
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    Re: Are you willing...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Guess I did. Sort of. One question just to make sure.

    Would you be willing to accept payments? Sorry but it kinda sounds like you want them to pay in full asap.
    That would depend on the individual business. Some expect payment at the time of service. Some are willing to do some sort of payment plan. However, defaulting on something like this would affect one's credit rating, significantly, and might preclude ANY medical practitioner from allowing personal payment again. One reason this country, and so many people are in debt, is they think that if they don't pay, in the long run there will either be no consequences, or the consequences will be minimal. And that they can keep doing the behavior. This needs to change.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Are you willing...

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    I don't expect the government to pay ****. Like Jerry, I expect the hospital to send me a bill. Which they have always done.
    What happens if you can't pay for it?

    But no hospital can know if you have insurance or not, or what your ability to pay is while you're laying bleeding to death, unconscious on a gurney. Thus, life saving emergency care isn't really in the equation.
    I know, I've never honestly suggested that people could or should be denied emergency life saving treatment. I was merely posing an ideological question to Kor and Jerry.

    However, I do fully support any doctor and hospital's right to deny services to anyone for any reason.
    So, a child is brought to a private practice with life-threatening injuries, the doctors can just refuse treatment?

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    Re: Are you willing...

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    And a hospital can ask to see your insurance card. And a hospital can ask for payment at the time of service, or a deposit prior to treatment.
    While you're unconscious?

    If you're conscious, sure. They already do that anyway.

    And if you have no insurance, cannot pay at the time of service, or even place a deposit, then the hospital should have the right to refuse to serve you. Government assistance in these cases should not be an option. If the hospital chooses to treat you without an expectation of payment, that's their business. Of course if they go bankrupt for doing this, there should be no government bailout, either.
    LOL You're preaching to the choir here, babe.
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    Re: Are you willing...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    What happens if you can't pay for it?
    Same thing that happens when you fault on any other debt.

    So, a child is brought to a private practice with life-threatening injuries, the doctors can just refuse treatment?
    Any private business should be allowed to refuse service to any person for any reason.

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    Re: Are you willing...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Because it's barbaric. Doctors shouldn't be fishing through an unconscious man's wallet in order to get his insurance information.
    The police do this regularly for identification purposes. Flipping to another card would not be much of a stretch

    Knowing you could face jail time for receiving free health care is a strong incentive to purchase insurance; this avoids having to mandate it.
    So, you are in favor of the proposed fines that I've been reading about on this forum for those who do not purchase health care? I am surprised.

    In truth, I don't think this is as much of a deterrent as you might think. If the possibility of jailtime was THAT much of a deterrent, we wouldn't have so many breaking the law and going to jail. People tend not to think they will get caught, or that the consequences won't happen to them.

    I agree, private charities should be the main pillar of health care, but in a plan such as the one I outline people must be held responsible for failing to protect themselves.
    Yup. This gets the government out of doing this, and creates personal responsibility for folks.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Are you willing...

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    My idea is a great mesh between liberal government assistance, and conservative personal responsibility. Truly bipartisan. And like I said in my other post. I wonder how much money it would save the government if the government no longer subsidized ANY healthcare for persons who had a choice but decided not to use it?
    It's a wonderful compromise.

    I'd add that you can't bankrupt out of medical bills, considering they may have saved your life.
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    Re: Are you willing...

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    blah blah blah. How about tort reform as a means to lower malpractice insurance. Wouldn't that help to reduce the cost of healthcare? blah blah blah
    Of course this should be there also. As should be the ability to sue insurance companies for refusing to authorize the use of benefits that are in a member's plan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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