View Poll Results: Are you willing to be fined for simply living?

Voters
18. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes.

    2 11.11%
  • No.

    12 66.67%
  • Don't care one way or the other. IT'S HEALTH INSURENCE!!!

    4 22.22%
Page 3 of 8 FirstFirst 12345 ... LastLast
Results 21 to 30 of 75

Thread: Are you willing...

  1. #21
    User JustinDeeMan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Detroit, MI
    Last Seen
    07-22-09 @ 06:34 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    96

    Re: Are you willing...

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    You give people an inch and they try to take a mile. This is just a step above making people pay for public education from,forcing people to give money to abortion groups, forcing tax payers to give money to every useless study out there, forcing people to give money to other countries in the form of foreign aid and many other things. With all those things in mind it should be a surprise at all when the government tries some **** like this.
    Very true but that is

    We elect people based on what they say and believe.
    I would like a conservative to lead us as a nation, but you need diversity without it we would be a communist/dictatorship. There will be people like me that are against the present administration and future administration's. There will always be people that believe different things but we have to deal with it as a democratic country.
    Just stating.
    There is a popular Chinese maxim: "The hat is good, the shoes are good. However, if you put the hat on your feet, and the shoes on your head, then both become useless."

  2. #22
    Global Moderator
    Sinister
    CaptainCourtesy's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:58 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    133,738

    Re: Are you willing...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Driving is a privilege, not a right.

    Living is a right.

    See the difference?
    I didn't mention living. I mentioned living healthy. I do not believe that is a right.
    "Never fear. Him is here" - Captain Chaos (Dom DeLuise), Cannonball Run

    Mace Windu: Then our worst fears have been realized. We must move quickly if the Jedi Order is to survive.

    ====||:-D

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

  3. #23
    Goddess of Bacon

    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Charlottesville, VA
    Last Seen
    05-28-12 @ 07:35 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    13,988

    Re: Are you willing...

    I would tell them to shove their mandate and their fines up their ****ing asses.



    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    That's true, however, not driving severely limits one's options, depending on where one lives. One can make this analogy: if you want to drive, you have to have insurance; if you want to have good health, you have to have insurance.
    The latter is untrue. I live quite healthy without insurance and have for many years.

  4. #24
    Banned
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Chicago
    Last Seen
    04-02-15 @ 04:08 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    8,211

    Re: Are you willing...

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    You're not legally required to drive, CC. Nor is it strictly necessary for survival, though in many parts of the United States it's close.

    Any legislator who suggests that health insurance should be mandatory and that citizens should be subject to civil and/or criminal penalties for not having health insurance, without actually providing health insurance to everyone who requires it, should be hauled bodily out of their offices and hanged on the front steps of the Capitol. And it is requiring a good deal of self-control to refrain from contiuing that that their entire misbegotten lineage should likewise be purged from within the membership of civilized society. There is no excuse for this kind of intolerable ignorance of the living conditions of their own citizens. **** their stupid laws and **** them.

    If they want to raise taxes to pay for their healthcare plans, for government healthcare plans, I'll support them. But passing a law that mandates citizens to pay for expensive services from third-party private businesses is unacceptable. Congress has already given those corporate whores far too many free lunches and it's about goddamned time we remind them that they are allowed to take our tax money to provide services for us, not to bend us over for the people who pay the bribes necessary to get them into offoce.
    That's perfectly fine. Anyone who does not purchase health insurance will just be denied care, no matter what. That way they can die on the streets knowing they saved a couple hundred bucks. Not that I approve of any type of UHC but I understand the rationale behind mandating health insurance.

  5. #25
    Banned
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Chicago
    Last Seen
    04-02-15 @ 04:08 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    8,211

    Re: Are you willing...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Driving is a privilege, not a right.

    Living is a right.

    See the difference?
    Fine, then you agree people who lack health insurance should be summarily denied treatment regardless of the circumstances? Unless, of course, you were planning on having your health care and eating it too?

  6. #26
    Goddess of Bacon

    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Charlottesville, VA
    Last Seen
    05-28-12 @ 07:35 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    13,988

    Re: Are you willing...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    That's perfectly fine. Anyone who does not purchase health insurance will just be denied care, no matter what. That way they can die on the streets knowing they saved a couple hundred bucks. Not that I approve of any type of UHC but I understand the rationale behind mandating health insurance.
    That would require mandating who doctors can and cannot treat in their own private practice, which would be a violation of their business rights.

  7. #27
    Global Moderator
    Sinister
    CaptainCourtesy's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:58 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    133,738

    Re: Are you willing...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    That's perfectly fine. Anyone who does not purchase health insurance will just be denied care, no matter what. That way they can die on the streets knowing they saved a couple hundred bucks. Not that I approve of any type of UHC but I understand the rationale behind mandating health insurance.
    Actually, in my "opt out" plan, that is precisely what I am suggesting. I keep hearing about personal responsibility, and "the government doesn't have the right to tell ME I have to have health insurance." Fine. If there is a government plan, and you opt out of it (not paying the tax that would be applied to it), and don't buy private health insurance, if you have a catastrophic illness and cannot afford to pay for it, NO government subsidy. Personal responsibility and all.
    "Never fear. Him is here" - Captain Chaos (Dom DeLuise), Cannonball Run

    Mace Windu: Then our worst fears have been realized. We must move quickly if the Jedi Order is to survive.

    ====||:-D

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

  8. #28
    Global Moderator
    Sinister
    CaptainCourtesy's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:58 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    133,738

    Re: Are you willing...

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    That would require mandating who doctors can and cannot treat in their own private practice, which would be a violation of their business rights.
    Actually, it wouldn't. A business owner does not have to provide a service if the customer cannot pay.
    "Never fear. Him is here" - Captain Chaos (Dom DeLuise), Cannonball Run

    Mace Windu: Then our worst fears have been realized. We must move quickly if the Jedi Order is to survive.

    ====||:-D

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

  9. #29
    Goddess of Bacon

    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Charlottesville, VA
    Last Seen
    05-28-12 @ 07:35 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    13,988

    Re: Are you willing...

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Actually, it wouldn't. A business owner does not have to provide a service if the customer cannot pay.
    Of course they don't. He implied that the government wouldn't ALLOW them to be treated. That's how I took it anyway. (His words "no matter what" keyed me to that assumption)

    I fully agree that docs should be allowed to screen their own patients and refuse care to whomever they wish.

    I've had a doc refuse care to me when I HAD insurance (BECAUSE I had insurance). And, I've had a doc refuse care when I did not have insurance. There's always another doc. /shrug
    Last edited by rivrrat; 07-19-09 at 10:39 PM.

  10. #30
    Global Moderator
    Sinister
    CaptainCourtesy's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:58 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    133,738

    Re: Are you willing...

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Of course they don't. He implied that the government wouldn't ALLOW them to be treated. That's how I took it anyway. (His words "no matter what" keyed me to that assumption)

    I fully agree that docs should be allowed to screen their own patients and refuse care to whomever they wish.

    I've had a doc refuse care to me when I HAD insurance (BECAUSE I had insurance). And, I've had a doc refuse care when I did not have insurance. There's always another doc. /shrug
    And if a doctor wants to treat you without receiving payment, that's on him/her. Same as a hospital. What I am suggesting is that no longer will there be regulations requiring any charity care, and no longer will the government subsidize ANY healthcare that is not covered or paid for, regardless of situation.
    "Never fear. Him is here" - Captain Chaos (Dom DeLuise), Cannonball Run

    Mace Windu: Then our worst fears have been realized. We must move quickly if the Jedi Order is to survive.

    ====||:-D

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

Page 3 of 8 FirstFirst 12345 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •