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    Re: Do you think MJ ever molested any kids?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Please define "mis-appropriate" or inappropiate....
    I am not a MJ fan, but in all fairness, and you know the conservative press.
    I think the initial set of allegations (the ones involving the little boy with leukemia) involved MJ sleeping together in the same bed with the child when he spent the night, giving the child alcoholic beverages, and discussing masturbation with the child.
    I do not believe Jackson denied these allegations.
    The child also mentioned having seen Jackson's genitals, in some context.
    Jackson did end up paying a 20 million dollar settlement to the family, in that case.

    Even if all these allegations are true, none of them amount to 'molestation'.
    None of them are particularly appropriate either, however, and the extent to which they might be harmful to a child probably depends on the child and on the context.

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    Re: Do you think MJ ever molested any kids?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Do you mean sexually inappropriate? I don't think he ever did anything like that.

    If you mean just inappropriate...I can agree with that. Dangling his kid over a second-story balcony was certainly inappropriate. Sleeping in the same bed as kids who were not his own was incredibly stupid, especially after the first child molestation allegation...but not particularly harmful to the child.

    MJ loved kids. Unfortunately, that was his downfall and led to his drug addictions and mental illness.
    Dangling a kid over a balcony was criminal. Sleeping with kids that aren't yours is very inappropriate, ESPECIALLY after you've been accused of molestation.

    Thinking it was right and good to do these things is ****ing crazy.

    What a tragedy.
    I TOTALLY disagree with this. It's not a tragedy.

    The plane crash in Iran? That's a tragedy.

    The people killed in the Jakarta bombings I just heard about? Now that's tragic.

    A rich guy who should be institutionalized offs himself because he ODs because he can't cope with hsi fame and fortune? That's pathetic. The world's a better place without him. His kids are definitely safer.

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    Re: Do you think MJ ever molested any kids?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Dangling a kid over a balcony was criminal. Sleeping with kids that aren't yours is very inappropriate, ESPECIALLY after you've been accused of molestation.

    Thinking it was right and good to do these things is ****ing crazy.
    I'm not suggesting that they were the smartest decisions that he's ever made. But I don't see any reason to believe his intentions were malicious.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case
    I TOTALLY disagree with this. It's not a tragedy.

    The plane crash in Iran? That's a tragedy.

    The people killed in the Jakarta bombings I just heard about? Now that's tragic.

    A rich guy who should be institutionalized offs himself because he ODs because he can't cope with hsi fame and fortune? That's pathetic.
    He reached the pinnacle of success, only to have it all come crashing down because someone falsely accuses him of one of the most horrendous things imaginable...I can certainly understand why he might have turned to drugs under those circumstances. That doesn't mean that it was a smart choice, but I think a lot of people would do the same under those circumstances. And the mental illness was certainly not his fault. People rarely have direct control over whether or not they become mentally ill.

    I completely disagree with your characterization that he "ODs because he can't cope with his fame and fortune." MJ was not Kurt Cobain, who killed himself at the height of his fame. MJ only killed himself (intentionally or accidentally) after he had lost everything for which he spent his entire life working.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case
    The world's a better place without him. His kids are definitely safer.
    They're better off with their gold-digging surrogate mother or with MJ's abusive father, instead of with their own father who obviously loved them very much whatever his faults?
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    Re: Do you think MJ ever molested any kids?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I'm not suggesting that they were the smartest decisions that he's ever made. But I don't see any reason to believe his intentions were malicious.
    He did it for attention. That's a disturbed individual who does that.



    He reached the pinnacle of success, only to have it all come crashing down because someone falsely accuses him of one of the most horrendous things imaginable...I can certainly understand why he might have turned to drugs under those circumstances. That doesn't mean that it was a smart choice, but I think a lot of people would do the same under those circumstances. And the mental illness was certainly not his fault. People rarely have direct control over whether or not they become mentally ill.
    He was bug-nuts crazy BEFORE the accusations. It was that looniness that CAUSED the accusations. And to call the first accusation a false accusation is disingenuous at best. That one wasn't an acquittal.



    I completely disagree with your characterization that he "ODs because he can't cope with his fame and fortune." MJ was not Kurt Cobain, who killed himself at the height of his fame. MJ only killed himself (intentionally or accidentally) after he had lost everything for which he spent his entire life working.
    He became nuts because he couldn't deal/cope. Everything that happened afterward was a product of that self-destructive path he went down.

    They're better off with their gold-digging surrogate mother or with MJ's abusive father, instead of with their own father who obviously loved them very much whatever his faults?

    Those kids are loaded. They'll be fine in the end. Love just ain't enough to overcome the problems of having a parent who is bug-nuts crazy and willing to dangle them over a balcony to get some attention for himself.

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    Re: Do you think MJ ever molested any kids?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Do you think Michael Jackson ever molested any kids? The more I read about the accusations against him, the more strongly I believe that he did not. There was never any actual evidence against him...and there was plenty of evidence that the families of the kids who were accusing him were in it for the money.

    Michael Jackson had a lot of mental issues and he was wealthy...which made him an easy target for the charges of child molestation. He was an especially easy target in the 2005 case, since he had already been accused once and his public image was already sullied.

    But I see no reason to believe he ever harmed anyone. He loved kids, I don't think he would ever do anything to hurt them.
    No. Michael Jackson was just an emotional infant. As a defense mechanism against past mental and physical trauma (which there was a great deal of) he regressed deeply into the psyche of his "inner child" and found it impossible to relate to adult society.

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    Re: Do you think MJ ever molested any kids?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    He did it for attention. That's a disturbed individual who does that.
    What makes you think he did it for attention? How does it even make sense to claim he slept with kids for attention, when he didn't publicly admit to it until he was specifically asked about it during a documentary?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case
    He was bug-nuts crazy BEFORE the accusations. It was that looniness that CAUSED the accusations.
    He was starting to go a bit crazy by 1993, but certainly not as much as he was by the end of his life. And "looniness" is not a valid reason to accuse someone of child molestation anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case
    And to call the first accusation a false accusation is disingenuous at best. That one wasn't an acquittal.
    It also wasn't a conviction. What makes you think he was guilty? The kid's family was obviously interested in extorting as much money from him as possible, instead of sending him to prison.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case
    He became nuts because he couldn't deal/cope. Everything that happened afterward was a product of that self-destructive path he went down.
    I'm not suggesting he didn't make any mistakes in his life. But a lot of the things that led him down that path (the molestation allegations, his own childhood abuse, etc) were the result of petty people taking advantage of him. This is what I think makes him such a tragic figure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case
    Those kids are loaded. They'll be fine in the end. Love just ain't enough to overcome the problems of having a parent who is bug-nuts crazy and willing to dangle them over a balcony to get some attention for himself.
    I think having loving parents is a hell of a lot more important to a child's upbringing than being wealthy...but that's just me.
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    Re: Do you think MJ ever molested any kids?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    No. Michael Jackson was just an emotional infant. As a defense mechanism against past mental and physical trauma (which there was a great deal of) he regressed deeply into the psyche of his "inner child" and found it impossible to relate to adult society.
    I completely agree. I think this is the best characterization of his behavior in the last 15 years of his life.
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    Re: Do you think MJ ever molested any kids?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    No. Michael Jackson was just an emotional infant. As a defense mechanism against past mental and physical trauma (which there was a great deal of) he regressed deeply into the psyche of his "inner child" and found it impossible to relate to adult society.
    That's the impression I got from hearing him in interviews.
    He either was a 9-year-old kid trapped in an adult body, or else he was diabolically clever at playing the role of one.

    Under those circumstances, I don't see anything particularly sinister in his actions toward the children (the ones everyone pretty much agreed that he did).
    The actions were inappropriate; he probably didn't mean any harm, though.
    If he was- mentally and emotionally- a child around the same age as his "victims", the actions make more sense. These things would be fairly normal if two same-age peers were doing them, rather than a kid and a man in his 40s. It was only Jackson's chronological age that made his actions suspect and potentially criminal.

    However, ordinary people- even mentally ill ones- aren't permitted to live in dreamworlds where they remain children (and behave and interact as children) forever.
    Mental illness and past abuse are not considered valid excuses for taking sexual liberties with minors, when the accused is neither wealthy nor famous.
    I disapprove on principle of the affluent getting away with things that would get a non-affluent person locked up.

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    Re: Do you think MJ ever molested any kids?

    Here's my reasoning.

    He has a thing for kids, so he invites them all over and lets them sleep in his bed, etc. Weird, but not necessarily proof of anything. Then, the first kid accuses him of molestation and the world goes crazy. Huge scandal, ruins his image, costs him millions, etc. Let's say that that accusation was a total lie and that he never did anything with that kid.

    What would a reasonable person do in that situation? Everything possible to stay the **** away from little boys or any appearance of impropriety. If you've been accused of molesting kids, you never go near a kid again. The fact that he continued to invite kids over and do the same things after that indicates to me that there is something seriously wrong in his head, which makes it all the more plausible for me to believe that he did do shady **** with some kids.
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    Re: Do you think MJ ever molested any kids?

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