View Poll Results: Are You Sorry You Voted for Obama?

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  • I voted for Obama and am very sorry.

    8 9.41%
  • I voted for Obama and am worried.

    1 1.18%
  • I voted for Obama but not worried.

    7 8.24%
  • I voted for Obama and am pleased with his actions.

    18 21.18%
  • I voted against Obama and scared to death of his actions.

    20 23.53%
  • I voted against Obama and am worried about his actions

    9 10.59%
  • I voted against Obama but not worried about his actions.

    2 2.35%
  • I voted against Obama but am pleased with his actions.

    2 2.35%
  • I did not vote but am afraid of his actions.

    10 11.76%
  • I did not vote but am pleased with his actions.

    8 9.41%
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    Re: Obama Voters -- Are you sorry?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Threatening violence is illegal, which is ludicrous because it hasn't been acted upon.
    Then Congress and/or local state governments have legislated against part of the 1st ammendment, have they not? They have not done away with free speech, only parts that may infringe on the rights of others.

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    Re: Obama Voters -- Are you sorry?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    And Clinton probably believed that the ban was constitutional.
    It was, same as banning threating or treasonous speech.

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    Re: Obama Voters -- Are you sorry?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    The point is that YOU don't get to decide what the constitution means. Only judges do. No matter how wrong you think they are.
    There is nothing in The Constitution that says judges are the final deciders on what The Constitution actually means.

    They didn't think that such a plainly explicit document would need so much scrutiny.

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    he's not required to so why would he?
    I mean he is taking something away, which is not based on any past legal precedent. What authority does he or congress have in doing so?

    If they do have the authority and the reasons for doing so, it should be very simple.
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    Re: Obama Voters -- Are you sorry?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post

    Yes. I would prefer a President Palin over Obama.
    Hell, that's extremely worrying. And you enjoyed some thanks for it.

    Looking from outside the 'goldfish bowl' Obama speaks from the same hymn sheet as a larger part of the world, unlike his predecessor. He has at least tried to 'include' rather than 'exclude' on many a contentious issue. Economically, you cannot portion blame for an inherited economy, not in meltdown, totally melted.....Pass judgement further down the line, rather than jumping in with two feet considering he has only just 'passed go'.

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    Re: Obama Voters -- Are you sorry?

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Then Congress and/or local state governments have legislated against part of the 1st ammendment, have they not? They have not done away with free speech, only parts that may infringe on the rights of others.
    They have and it doesn't make it right. One does not excuse the other.
    What if they determine that speech regarding smaller government is treasonous?
    Is that ok with you? What about speech against proposed programs, they can create an entire new definition for treason and it be legal.

    How is saying something treasonous considered an infringement of another persons rights?
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    Re: Obama Voters -- Are you sorry?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    They have and it doesn't make it right. One does not excuse the other.
    What if they determine that speech regarding smaller government is treasonous?
    Is that ok with you? What about speech against proposed programs, they can create an entire new definition for treason and it be legal.

    How is saying something treasonous considered an infringement of another persons rights?
    I never said I agreed with it, or thought it was right. Only that is was not a violation of the Constitution.

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    Re: Obama Voters -- Are you sorry?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    There is nothing in The Constitution that says judges are the final deciders on what The Constitution actually means.
    Correct, nothing in the constitution says anything about granting the supreme court the power of judicial review. But that is the way it has been since near the very beginning; its a "well established precedent." So you can disagree all you want but I don't see it changing ANYTIME in the near future nor would I want it to.

    I mean he is taking something away, which is not based on any past legal precedent. What authority does he or congress have in doing so?
    why would they bother to justify this to you or anyone else?

    If they do have the authority and the reasons for doing so, it should be very simple.
    They do have the authority which is why they were able to enforce the act.
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    Re: Obama Voters -- Are you sorry?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Correct, nothing in the constitution says anything about granting the supreme court the power of judicial review. But that is the way it has been since near the very beginning; its a "well established precedent." So you can disagree all you want but I don't see it changing ANYTIME in the near future nor would I want it to.
    I didn't say anything would change, I am challenging their unfounded reasoning for passing laws that have no Constitutional support.

    I don't believe our government will act more logically in the future, I believe it will act less reasonably and logically.

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    why would they bother to justify this to you or anyone else?
    Because I am the people.
    I am supposed to be the will at which they are allowed to govern.
    The whole founding of our country.

    You act as if they have a grand fiat beyond the realm of logic and reason.

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    They do have the authority which is why they were able to enforce the act.
    The authority only exists because you legitimize it.
    It vanishes most don't.
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    Re: Obama Voters -- Are you sorry?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I didn't say anything would change, I am challenging their unfounded reasoning for passing laws that have no Constitutional support.
    and those challenges must be brought up through the proper channels. Perhaps in the future they will be and the courts will rule for or against.

    Personally I hope it is found unconstitutional.

    I don't believe our government will act more logically in the future, I believe it will act less reasonably and logically.
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    Because I am the people.
    I am supposed to be the will at which they are allowed to govern.
    The whole founding of our country.
    but as the people we are given limited avenues to address our griviences: voting, influencing politicans, the appeals court, and rebellion.

    You act as if they have a grand fiat beyond the realm of logic and reason.
    they do in a sense: "The people who count the votes decide everything" ~Stalin

    This is analgous to the supreme court and the interpretation of the constitution.

    The authority only exists because you legitimize it.
    It vanishes most don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    It'll take a hell of a lot to make me sorry for voting for Obama because the alternative was McCain and Palin
    There were OTHER alternatives--the Libertarian Party (Bob Barr--yes, he had some discrepencies, but he was better than McCain and much better than Obama) and the Constitution Party.

    I think by now, you should see a hell of a lot to be worried about. It scares the hell out of me to see the greatest nation the world has ever seen turn into another Soviet Union. Now get ready for a LOT of HELL.


    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    I'm happy with Obama. People who say otherwise are probably confused or paranoid. Calm down people ... calm down.
    Let's see how much you calm down when you are socked with Obama's catastrophic health care plan, 25+% unemployment, China literally owning our country, and Zimbabwe-style hypertinflation.


    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Actually that was congress.

    Last time I checked, not vetoing a law wasn't unconstitutional.
    Not vetoing an unconstitutional law would at least be a dereliction of duty. But what's worse, he SIGNED it. That makes it treason.


    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I was scared of both the people (the ones my state allowed me to vote for)running for office,which is why I didn't vote for president in the last election.
    Weren't the Libertarian and Constitution parties on your ballot?

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