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24 hour waiting period for abortion

Does this infringe on the right to have an abortion

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Jerry said:
If they're so poor how the hell did they come up with the $300-500 for the abortion itself?
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Sliding scale at Planned Parenthood.
 
Jerry said:
If they're so poor how the hell did they come up with the $300-500 for the abortion itself?
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The same way they came up with the $ for their cell phones, their cable-HDTVs and their fingernails.

But yes -- if you can afford $X for an abortion, you can afford $X/5 for a motel.
 
disneydude said:
I was giving an example. The same argument could apply to any number of states.

"So what?" - I guess it depends. The only thing the 24 hour period does is make it more difficult for poor people to have an abortion, it really has no effect on anyone else.

Does it make it an infringement? Probably not...but the bigger question is, Does it serve any real legitimate interest?
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It's considered a "cooling off" period to ensure the woman has thought about.

Sure, the typical woman has already given it a lot of thought, but since pro-choice always runs to the extremely rare example, I will also.

A 24 hour waiting period ensures that everyone has had time to digest the information and make an informed consent. The token inconvenience endured (not "suffered") by few is not enough to justify giving abortions to others immediately with out their informed consent.

Anyone who's ever actually been to an abortion clinic can tell you that the woman will more than likely have to wait longer than 24 hours to get her appointment anyway. You can't just walk into any abortion clinic and get it don even if you wanted to.
 
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Jerry said:
If they're so poor how the hell did they come up with the $300-500 for the abortion itself?
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That would assume that I know every one of them personally now wouldn't it?

You certainly are not going to try to argue that poor people never have abortions are you?

If by your post you are seriously looking for me to assume a rationale I would probably argue that poor women traveling to another state to have an abortion scaped together enough money for the procedure (beg, borrow, steal).
 
Jerry said:
It's considered a "cooling off" period to ensure the woman has thought about.

Sure, the typical woman has already given it a lot of thought, but since pro-choice always runs to the extremely rare example, I will also.

A 24 hour waiting period ensures that everyone has had time to digest the information and make an informed consent. The token inconvenience endured (not "suffered") by few is not enough to justify giving abortions to others with out their informed consent.
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That assumes that most if not all women seeking an abortion decided to do so in the blink of an eye. That's rarely if ever the case. Adding an additional 24 hours onto the process is a meaningless gesture at best.
 
disneydude said:
That would assume that I know every one of them personally now wouldn't it?

You certainly are not going to try to argue that poor people never have abortions are you?

If by your post you are seriously looking for me to assume a rationale I would probably argue that poor women traveling to another state to have an abortion scaped together enough money for the procedure (beg, borrow, steal).
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Being poor makes it more difficult for a woman to have an abortion, and incidentally may also be why she wants an abortion.
 
disneydude said:
That assumes that most if not all women seeking an abortion decided to do so in the blink of an eye. That's rarely if ever the case. Adding an additional 24 hours onto the process is a meaningless gesture at best.
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He stated that it "ensures that everyone has had time" to digest the decision. This does not assume that any percentage of women does or does not take any particular length of time to weigh the decision, but that ALL women will have at least minimal time to do so.

Do you believe that it is wrong to restrict the rights of the many based on the particulars of the few?
 
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disneydude said:
That assumes that most if not all women seeking an abortion decided to do so in the blink of an eye. That's rarely if ever the case. Adding an additional 24 hours onto the process is a meaningless gesture at best.
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Your perspective changes once you actually go in, talk to the doctor, and make the appointment. You realize that this is actually going to happen. A lot of people don't respect that.
 
disneydude said:
That assumes that most if not all women seeking an abortion decided to do so in the blink of an eye. That's rarely if ever the case. Adding an additional 24 hours onto the process is a meaningless gesture at best.
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I say all rights should require a 24-hour waiting period. You can never be too careful.
 
I propose that we make everyone wait 24 hours before they can buy fast food. Fast food is unhealthy, and we need a "cool down" period to make sure that everyone has thought it through before making such a purchase. Clearly, you are too emotionally distraught to make such a choice, and the government has a duty to "protect" you by controlling your lifestyle.
 
rathi said:
I propose that we make everyone wait 24 hours before they can buy fast food. Fast food is unhealthy, and we need a "cool down" period to make sure that everyone has thought it through before making such a purchase. Clearly, you are too emotionally distraught to make such a choice, and the government has a duty to "protect" you by controlling your lifestyle.
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Mmmm Kentucky Fried Fetus...nom nom nom...
 
rathi said:
I propose that we make everyone wait 24 hours before they can buy fast food. Fast food is unhealthy, and we need a "cool down" period to make sure that everyone has thought it through before making such a purchase. Clearly, you are too emotionally distraught to make such a choice, and the government has a duty to "protect" you by controlling your lifestyle.
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Funny, but wouldn't work, I'm not a large scale consumer of fast food, but when I want, I want and there will be a Burger King, Taco Bell, etc. moment in the upcoming future, whether or not there is a waiting period.
 
rathi said:
I propose that we make everyone wait 24 hours before they can buy fast food. Fast food is unhealthy, and we need a "cool down" period to make sure that everyone has thought it through before making such a purchase. Clearly, you are too emotionally distraught to make such a choice, and the government has a duty to "protect" you by controlling your lifestyle.
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Same with buying beer. Or free speech. Or seeing an R-rated movie. These decisions should not be made on the spur of the moment. Wait 24 hours before responding to this post, please.
 
Mmmm Kentucky Fried Fetus...nom nom nom...
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Kentucky Grilled Fetus, Jerry, get with the times. Dipping the fetus in boiling oil ruins the texture and has too much cholesterol.
 
rathi said:
Kentucky Grilled Fetus, Jerry, get with the times. Dipping the fetus in boiling oil ruins the texture and has too much cholesterol.
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The problem with grilling is that it tends to fall through the grates.
 
The problem with grilling is that it tends to fall through the grates.
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Why do you think the third trimester abortion was invented?
 
rathi said:
Why do you think the third trimester abortion was invented?
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Obviously. The drawback, of course, being that they are not as tender in the third trimester. It's a trade off, I suppose. I just usually go with a nice saute. Not too fatty, quick cooking, no grates. And if you leave the placental marinade on it never gets dry.
 
stekim said:
Obviously. The drawback, of course, being that they are not as tender in the third trimester. It's a trade off, I suppose. I just usually go with a nice saute. Not too fatty, quick cooking, no grates. And if you leave the placental marinade on it never gets dry.
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Actually, they put on most of their weight during the third trimester, so that's when they are the meatiest. If you cook them earlier, it's like trying to eat quail. They're all bones and hardly any meat.
 
For the record, I have no problem with waiting periods. It isn't like America is suffering from a overkill of thinking about decisions too much.
 
Of course, technically, YES
Maybe 100 years from now we will have a better people, but for now, abortion is the law.
But to cut the unborn baby a little slack is not all bad; IMO, this law or change to the law is an improvement.
Kudos to those man enough to back it...
 
stekim said:
I say all rights should require a 24-hour waiting period. You can never be too careful.
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I'm not saying its a good or bad thing. I haven't really taken a stance on that aspect of the decision.

I was simply pointing out that it is essentially a meaningless gesture that bases its rationale on the idea that the decision to have an abortion is a rash and quick decision in which no thought has gone into. That is almost never the case.

The impact of the waiting period has little, if any effect on middle and upper class women, but could have a big financial effect on the poor.
 
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