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    Re: 24 hour waiting period for abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Obama should step in and give you one.
    I'm not talking about me. I'm talking about some poor chap who, in that era, couldn't afford a gun, yet would be punished for not having one. It's basically a law against poor people who felt that it would be more responsible to purchase household items than a gun.

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    Re: 24 hour waiting period for abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Sammyo View Post
    I'm not talking about me. I'm talking about some poor chap who, in that era, couldn't afford a gun, yet would be punished for not having one. It's basically a law against poor people who felt that it would be more responsible to purchase household items than a gun.
    No... its a law that provides for the security of the individual states as well as the entire country. Poor people are just as responsible for this as people of means.

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    Re: 24 hour waiting period for abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Sammyo View Post
    So if you had almost no money, and were forced to decide between food for your family and a gun, you had to go buy a gun, or be punished by the gov't? How retarded.
    Why are 'you' poor in the first place? That information is critical.

    If you didn't have food chances are it was because you didn't have a gun.

    So your choices are to buy food and get punished for not having a gun, or learn to fish and trap and buy a gun.

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    Re: 24 hour waiting period for abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    No... its a law that provides for the security of the individual states as well as the entire country. Poor people are just as responsible for this as people of means.

    Okay, so some poor chap who can't afford a gun, what do you do, put him in jail? Then the state has to provide for him until he serves his time. Then when he gets out he'll break that law again because he has even less money with which to buy a gun. Then he's back in jail causing more dollars to be spent on him. And just think, all they had to do was give him a certificate that showed he was too poor to purchase a gun and make the law not applicable to him.

    The government shouldn't tell people that they have to go purchase certain items. That's not freedom, that's oppression. If the gov't is going to demand that you have a certain thing, then they need to provide it to you. A gov't telling its citizens how they must spend their money sounds like despotism to me.

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    Re: 24 hour waiting period for abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Why are 'you' poor in the first place? That information is critical.

    If you didn't have food chances are it was because you didn't have a gun.

    So your choices are to buy food and get punished for not having a gun, or learn to fish and trap and buy a gun.
    The guy might be a day laborer in a state with few or no slaves. He might only have enough to have a small shack and a few food stuffs. You're going to tell that guy that he's got to force his family to starve for a few weeks until he puts together enough money to buy a gun? LOL!!!

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    Re: 24 hour waiting period for abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Sammyo View Post
    I'm not talking about me. I'm talking about some poor chap who, in that era, couldn't afford a gun, yet would be punished for not having one. It's basically a law against poor people who felt that it would be more responsible to purchase household items than a gun.
    Statesmen would privately sponsor the local militia. If you were poor one of your best opportunities was to join the militia. Now you have food, a gun, and a paying job. Problem solved.

    If you have some disability which prevents you from earning any living at all, and that's why you're poor, then you aren't "able bodied" to begin with and the law requiring you to have a gun does not apply to you.

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    Re: 24 hour waiting period for abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Statesmen would privately sponsor the local militia. If you were poor one of your best opportunities was to join the militia. Now you have food, a gun, and a paying job. Problem solved.
    Ah, so someone IS paying for your gun in such a case.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    If you have some disability which prevents you from earning any living at all, and that's why you're poor, then you aren't "able bodied" to begin with and the law requiring you to have a gun does not apply to you.
    Of course. Who's talking about this scenario?

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    Re: 24 hour waiting period for abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Each time my wife had an abortion we had to wait about a week.
    Each time? How many did you have? I know thats a personal question but since your throwing it out there.

    I don't see a problem with having a 24 hour waiting period before an abortion.
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    Re: 24 hour waiting period for abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Sammyo View Post
    Okay, so some poor chap who can't afford a gun, what do you do, put him in jail?
    He would probably be fined, and if he contined to break the law, he would then be jailed.

    Then the state has to provide for him until he serves his time.
    If jailed, yes.

    Then when he gets out he'll break that law again because he has even less money with which to buy a gun. Then he's back in jail causing more dollars to be spent on him. And just think, all they had to do was give him a certificate that showed he was too poor to purchase a gun and make the law not applicable to him.
    The government back then was not interested in such silliness -- when it passed a law, it expected compliance, not excuses.

    The government shouldn't tell people that they have to go purchase certain items. That's not freedom, that's oppression.
    Its no different than the government forcing you to do any number of things, like provide health care for the old and poor.

    A gov't telling its citizens how they must spend their money sounds like despotism to me.
    Welcome to the welfare state.

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    Re: 24 hour waiting period for abortion

    The bottom line is this:

    If the government can tell private citizens that they must pay for certain items or services, then it has that right. If they can tell citizens that they must own a gun then they can also tell citizens that they must have health care. You can't argue FOR the concept when it comes to guns, and AGAINST the concept when it's something you don't agree with. Logic doesn't work that way.

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