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Thread: Ban on Tobacco urged in military

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    Re: Ban on Tobacco urged in military

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    I don't see how your link disproves/refutes my statement. I inferred from your statement that those who do NOT serve in combat (haven't been shot at) are NOT entitled to VA health care. Did I infer incorrectly?

    Most don't.


    Maybe this will help:

    VA Health Care Eligibility - Military Benefits - Military.com


    I understand what you're saying. Under the circumstances you describe above, I agree.

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    Re: Ban on Tobacco urged in military

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    While you are correct that it is somewhat difficult to predict the additional healthcare costs of tobacco usage (and monitor, well not necessary)...
    Well, I believe that is the underlying issue. I'm seriously asking you how to quantify the health damage of cigarettes monetarily. One cig is a dollar's worth of damage? How do you know if someone is smoking? What if they hide their habit? I just don't see how this could be implemented.

    ...why should taxpayers be forced to pay for healthcare unrelated to the service performed by soldiers? Under that logic, if a soldier gets infected with AIDs by sleeping around, we should pay for that independent of the fact that it was his bad choices that get him infected and that sleeping around was not part of the job.

    I dunno. I see what you're saying but I don't think it's really that important

    I know for a fact that you would get angry for having to pay increased premiums because people on your insurance plan couldn't stop feeding their faces with vast amounts of unhealthy food and not exercising. You get pissed off for being forced to pay for their bad lifestyle choices. Why is this fundamentally any different?

    Again, being a soldier does not absolve you from all forms of personal responsibility, unlike Rev's opinion.
    Well, I don't think a Marine who smokes in a combat zone is the same as a lazy fat-ass who stuffs their face all day. I smoked a lot in Iraq because it was the only method of stress-release that actually worked well. If we, as tax payers, have to pay some extra costs because smoking helps maintain mental acuity in combat zones then I think we should do it.

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    Re: Ban on Tobacco urged in military

    The chances of there actually being a ban instituted are slim to none. The Navy for one is making it more difficult to be a smoker, but if they were to even think about implementing that ban the ****storm would be unbelievable.

    Even more than that, I couldn't even imagine how somebody could honestly ban smokes for a soldier going into a combat zone over health care costs. Seriously, you're a ****tard if you think VA healthcare benefits 30 years down the road should outweigh stress relief for soldiers in combat zones.

    I might support it though, if they would also guarantee 8 uninterrupted hours of sleep every night for those guys and provide the additional soldiers needed to make that happen. If one is willing to take away cigarettes in the name of health concerns then one should have to pay up and start looking after other health issues as well.
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    Re: Ban on Tobacco urged in military

    Quote Originally Posted by Joby View Post
    The chances of there actually being a ban instituted are slim to none. The Navy for one is making it more difficult to be a smoker, but if they were to even think about implementing that ban the ****storm would be unbelievable.

    Even more than that, I couldn't even imagine how somebody could honestly ban smokes for a soldier going into a combat zone over health care costs. Seriously, you're a ****tard if you think VA healthcare benefits 30 years down the road should outweigh stress relief for soldiers in combat zones.

    I might support it though, if they would also guarantee 8 uninterrupted hours of sleep every night for those guys and provide the additional soldiers needed to make that happen. If one is willing to take away cigarettes in the name of health concerns then one should have to pay up and start looking after other health issues as well.

    ****ing hilarious.

    I think you hit the nail on the head with this post.

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