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    Re: Ban on Tobacco urged in military

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Only because I have to pay for it. I noticed you did not want to talk about my other examples which are principally no different even though you would be angry if you had to pay for them. Typical. Either you are being dishonest (which is historically accurate) or you can't read, also historically accurate.
    So what if you have to pay for it? They are fighting and dying to protect you and the rest of the country. I'd say that earns them quite a bit.

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    Re: Ban on Tobacco urged in military

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    So what if you have to pay for it? They are fighting and dying to protect you and the rest of the country. I'd say that earns them quite a bit.
    Read up on ALL the benefits they get while in service and once they get out of service. Paying for their bad habits SHOULD not be one of them. And as I pointed out, VA no longer pays compensation benefits for smoking-related illnesses, which is the right thing.

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    Re: Ban on Tobacco urged in military

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Read up on ALL the benefits they get while in service and once they get out of service. Paying for their bad habits SHOULD not be one of them. And as I pointed out, VA no longer pays compensation benefits for smoking-related illnesses, which is the right thing.



    Really? I think getting shot at is far more unhealthy than smoking....


    Alchohol kills nearly as much, perhas we should ban troops from drinking as well...


    Saturated fats? No SIR, if you have a big mac NO COVERAGE FOR YOU!


    I find it perplexing in an era were we are trying to nationalize healthcare, and even give it to the illegal alien hordes, we would want to take it away from combat and retired vets......


    I find the stance hypocritical and rather pathetic.



    Fortunatley the link you provide says that the smoking damage would have had to had been caused during the service time.... that would be near impossible to prove....
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    Re: Ban on Tobacco urged in military

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Really? I think getting shot at is far more unhealthy than smoking....


    Alchohol kills nearly as much, perhas we should ban troops from drinking as well...


    Saturated fats? No SIR, if you have a big mac NO COVERAGE FOR YOU!


    I find it perplexing in an era were we are trying to nationalize healthcare, and even give it to the illegal alien hordes, we would want to take it away from combat and retired vets......


    I find the stance hypocritical and rather pathetic.
    The majority of people who serve have not been shot at. Let's get that straight. VA MUST cut corners so that other veterans can get the compensation they need.

    Right now, VA does not pay compensation to a veteran who has become disabled due to his/her own willful misconduct. I'm sure you wouldn't want to think that Joe Shmo can drink to his heart's content, get into a car, paralyze himself from drunk driving, and then receive more $2700/month tax free as a result. The same argument can be made for someone who smokes. You know smoking causes cancer of all sorts and you CHOOSE to smoke. Sorry, you shouldn't be compensated for your own willful misconduct.

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    Re: Ban on Tobacco urged in military

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    The majority of people who serve have not been shot at. Let's get that straight. VA MUST cut corners so that other veterans can get the compensation they need.
    Most people who serve and have not been shot at are uneligable for va coverage.

    Right now, VA does not pay compensation to a veteran who has become disabled due to his/her own willful misconduct. I'm sure you wouldn't want to think that Joe Shmo can drink to his heart's content, get into a car, paralyze himself from drunk driving, and then receive more $2700/month tax free as a result. The same argument can be made for someone who smokes. You know smoking causes cancer of all sorts and you CHOOSE to smoke. Sorry, you shouldn't be compensated for your own willful misconduct.


    doing so is illegal. if smoking were illegal i'd see your point.


    a better comparison would be someone who serves and gets breakfast lunch and dinner at the base mcdonalds.....


    should the va deny him lipitor and coverage?


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    Re: Ban on Tobacco urged in military

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Read up on ALL the benefits they get while in service and once they get out of service. Paying for their bad habits SHOULD not be one of them. And as I pointed out, VA no longer pays compensation benefits for smoking-related illnesses, which is the right thing.
    I disagree. Personally, if someone is going to fight and die to protect me and the rest of my countrymen they can do whatever the hell they want. I'm not a fan of smoking either. I quit almost 4 years ago and it was the best decision I've ever made. However, there are definitely things I miss about smoking so I can definitely empathize with someone who smokes. I honestly don't see what the big deal is here.

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    Re: Ban on Tobacco urged in military

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I disagree. Personally, if someone is going to fight and die to protect me and the rest of my countrymen they can do whatever the hell they want. I'm not a fan of smoking either. I quit almost 4 years ago and it was the best decision I've ever made. However, there are definitely things I miss about smoking so I can definitely empathize with someone who smokes. I honestly don't see what the big deal is here.
    No one is denying their ability to smoke.

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    Re: Ban on Tobacco urged in military

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Most people who serve and have not been shot at are uneligable for va coverage.
    That's a factually incorrect statement.





    doing so is illegal. if smoking were illegal i'd see your point.
    You instigate a fight (which is not illegal) and get your nose broken and you seek VA compensation benefits for residuals of a broken nose, you're likely going to be denied due to willful misconduct.


    a better comparison would be someone who serves and gets breakfast lunch and dinner at the base mcdonalds.....


    should the va deny him lipitor and coverage?
    I dunno.

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    Re: Ban on Tobacco urged in military

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    That's a factually incorrect statement.

    I am a Veteran. I am very familiar with the VA system.


    Determining Your Eligibility (VA Health Care Eligibility & Enrollment)





    You instigate a fight (which is not illegal) and get your nose broken and you seek VA compensation benefits for residuals of a broken nose, you're likely going to be denied due to willful misconduct.

    i didn't...... but this was during active service.....





    I dunno.

    Really? Don't you think that we owe some of these Veterans? Now I made it through without any lasting damage, and I am of means, so I don't need or think anything is owed me... But when I look upon some of my brothers and sisters, including some who have been maimed, I think we owe them a bit of lattitude..... As I alluded somewhere else. I have a bud who lost both his arms, he smokes two packs a day.... I abhor cigarettes, but I'm happy to light them for him if he asks......


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    Re: Ban on Tobacco urged in military

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I am a Veteran. I am very familiar with the VA system.

    Determining Your Eligibility (VA Health Care Eligibility & Enrollment)

    I don't see how your link disproves/refutes my statement. I inferred from your statement that those who do NOT serve in combat (haven't been shot at) are NOT entitled to VA health care. Did I infer incorrectly?


    Really? Don't you think that we owe some of these Veterans? Now I made it through without any lasting damage, and I am of means, so I don't need or think anything is owed me... But when I look upon some of my brothers and sisters, including some who have been maimed, I think we owe them a bit of lattitude..... As I alluded somewhere else. I have a bud who lost both his arms, he smokes two packs a day.... I abhor cigarettes, but I'm happy to light them for him if he asks......
    I understand what you're saying. Under the circumstances you describe above, I agree.

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