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Thread: Ban on Tobacco urged in military

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    Re: Ban on Tobacco urged in military

    Tobacco is a perfect example how people dont give a **** about peoples right unless it is something they wanna do.

    It also shows the thinking of many people in power who think they own the citizens and knows what best for them.
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    Re: Ban on Tobacco urged in military

    Quote Originally Posted by mikhail View Post
    every food company does that as much as possible.
    The peanut guy who knew salmonella was found in the peanuts and still allowed the peanuts to be processed? He WILL suffer consequences, and he should.

    I do see your point. Nevertheless, I hate cigarettes, and so I couldn't care less about a business who makes them.

    Again, just because I hate cigarettes doesn't mean I think there should be a ban on tobacco in the military (maybe I would feel differently if I was in the military (i.e., I would support it)).

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    Re: Ban on Tobacco urged in military

    The point is every company is going to lie and unless you have czar controlling them all, you will always be lied to. The country is slowly becoming socialist by the government taking control of our company's. I mean why don't we just let the government take control of everything because it is in our best interest.
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    Re: Ban on Tobacco urged in military

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    The peanut guy who knew salmonella was found in the peanuts and still allowed the peanuts to be processed? He WILL suffer consequences, and he should.

    I do see your point. Nevertheless, I hate cigarettes, and so I couldn't care less about a business who makes them.

    Again, just because I hate cigarettes doesn't mean I think there should be a ban on tobacco in the military (maybe I would feel differently if I was in the military (i.e., I would support it)).
    You would support a ban on a product you don't use being placed on your fellow soldiers if you were in the military?

    Can you tell me how this makes any damned sense whatsoever?

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    Re: Ban on Tobacco urged in military

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Just to play devil's advocate here (I don't really have an opinion on tobacco in the military), but I would think that use of tobacco would make people less able to handle the physical strains of their job.
    Cigarettes are a mental comfort in combat zones.

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    Re: Ban on Tobacco urged in military

    I don't see how tobacco products affect job performance in the military whatsoever. Its not as if the people under fire, need to have a smoke while in a fire fight,. They have more important things going on at the moment. Its not like a sniper is going to light up while waiting for his target to appear. Its not as if you can smoke while working around aircraft.

    One thing I wouldn't mind NJP'd anybody who dips and leaves their spit bottles laying around. Nasty ****s.
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    Re: Ban on Tobacco urged in military

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Cigarettes are a mental comfort in combat zones.
    Very True... I mean we already have hundreds of soldiers breaking down mentally why totally break them.
    There is a popular Chinese maxim: "The hat is good, the shoes are good. However, if you put the hat on your feet, and the shoes on your head, then both become useless."

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    Re: Ban on Tobacco urged in military

    There's a better solution. If you choose to use tobacco products during your service, a certain amount of your pay is deducted and placed into an account to pay for future health care costs related to your use of a known carcinogen. If you kick the can during your service, that amount is then added to any amount given to your beneficiaries.

    Soldiers should not have tobacco restricted, but they should not expect us to pay extra for their associated health costs from a preventable cause. Thus, we leave the choice up to them with an added future cost to themselves.
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    Re: Ban on Tobacco urged in military

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    There's a better solution. If you choose to use tobacco products during your service, a certain amount of your pay is deducted and placed into an account to pay for future health care costs related to your use of a known carcinogen. If you kick the can during your service, that amount is then added to any amount given to your beneficiaries.

    Soldiers should not have tobacco restricted, but they should not expect us to pay extra for their associated health costs from a preventable cause. Thus, we leave the choice up to them with an added future cost to themselves.


    Um. No.

    Imagine how many people will quit or not join because of this, also this is part of socialism government telling people that want to help their country what to do.
    There is a popular Chinese maxim: "The hat is good, the shoes are good. However, if you put the hat on your feet, and the shoes on your head, then both become useless."

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    Re: Ban on Tobacco urged in military

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    There's a better solution. If you choose to use tobacco products during your service, a certain amount of your pay is deducted and placed into an account to pay for future health care costs related to your use of a known carcinogen. If you kick the can during your service, that amount is then added to any amount given to your beneficiaries.

    Soldiers should not have tobacco restricted, but they should not expect us to pay extra for their associated health costs from a preventable cause. Thus, we leave the choice up to them with an added future cost to themselves.
    As others have already pointed by the time tobacco usage starts to affect their health most of the people would have already retired from the military.
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