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Thread: Which extreme is more dangerous to America?

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    Re: Which extreme is more dangerous to America?

    The far left could mean socialists/communists/fascists so I would say that is more dangerous than the far right.

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    Re: Which extreme is more dangerous to America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    The far left could mean socialists/communists/fascists so I would say that is more dangerous than the far right.
    The far right is much more communistic and facist than the far left.
    The far left is much more socialistic than the far right.

    Socialism vs. Communism

    Socialism is liberal. More people (preferably everyone) have some say in how the economy works. Democracy is liberal. More people (preferably everyone) have some say in how the government works. "Democracy," said Marx, "is the road to socialism." He was wrong about how economics and politics interact, but he did see their similar underpinnings.

    Communism is conservative. Fewer and fewer people (preferably just the Party Secretary) have any say in how the economy works. Republicans are conservative. Fewer and fewer people (preferably just people controlling the Party figurehead) have any say in how the government works. The conservatives in the US are in the same position as the communists in the 30s, and for the same reason: Their revolutions failed spectacularly but they refuse to admit what went wrong.

    A common mistake is to confuse Socialism, the economic system, with Communism, the political system
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    Re: Which extreme is more dangerous to America?

    For the love of God, will you ****ing people buy a goddamn dictionary and learn what words mean?

    This nonsense would be positively ****ing Orwellian if I thought either of you were actually doing it on purpose.

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    fyi Re: Which extreme is more dangerous to America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Can you define both terms as you mean them, please?
    Of the two extremes listed, which are the most dangerous:

    Far right (fiscal conservative): No. These are what we need a lot more of.

    Far right (social conservative): Yes, at least to some extent. Many are religious extremests who want to insert religion into government.

    Far left (social liberal): No. We need more of these also, along with the fiscal conservatives.

    Far left (fiscal liberal). YES, these are the really dangerous people, the ones whose mantra is tax and spend all you can. These are the ones we should NEVER elect for public office.

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    Re: Which extreme is more dangerous to America?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The far right is much more communistic and facist than the far left.
    The far left is much more socialistic than the far right.

    Only if you ignore the actual meanings of the terms you are using...

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    Re: Which extreme is more dangerous to America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post

    Only if you ignore the actual meanings of the terms you are using...
    Stalinism/Communism is a state in which exploitation is controlled by a ruling caste.... at the expense of the working class." This is the exact opposite of what Marx and Engels were trying to accomplish, and is precisely what the Republicans are working so hard for.

    A lot of people mistakenly believe that Socialism and Communism are the same thing. Socialism/Marxism is much more in line with the views of the far left. Stalinism/Communism is much more in line with the views of the far right.
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    Re: Which extreme is more dangerous to America?

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    Far right (fiscal conservative): No. These are what we need a lot more of.
    If by "conservative" you mean people who think government ought not spend more money than it has, and that every expenditure ought to be carefully considered before implemented, I certainly agree with you. We need much more responsible, conservative fiscal management by the government.

    If you mean that the government should cut all possible spending, however beneficial, and lower taxes to match... I disagree entirely. That's neither "conservative" nor prudent. Taxes and spending are a necessary function of government, and there's nothing wrong with high spending as long as it is disciplined spending, both within the government's means and implemented with clear, measurable social benefit.

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    Far right (social conservative): Yes, at least to some extent. Many are religious extremests who want to insert religion into government.

    Far left (social liberal): No. We need more of these also, along with the fiscal conservatives.
    Quite frankly, I think we need neither. The government has a legitimate role in upholding-- and helping shape-- moral and cultural values in the society that it's a part of, but the vaunted "family values" of so many social conservatives are so much irrational superstition. They've been distorted beyond all recognition by the corporate machines, and religious extremists who don't understand the difference between mindful obligation and mindless obedience.

    We need a government that understands that the basis of morality is duty, and its own role in both promoting that sense of duty and assisting its citizens in fulfilling their duties.

    As far as I can tell, this is neither Right nor Left. It's nowhere on the chart.

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    Re: Which extreme is more dangerous to America?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Stalinism/Communism is a state in which exploitation is controlled by a ruling caste.... at the expense of the working class." This is the exact opposite of what Marx and Engels were trying to accomplish, and is precisely what the Republicans are working so hard for.

    A lot of people mistakenly believe that Socialism and Communism are the same thing. Socialism/Marxism is much more in line with the views of the far left. Stalinism/Communism is much more in line with the views of the far right.
    Stalin's first move in power was to take property from individual farmers to create a national agriculutural collective. You really think he was in line with the views of the far right? The guy was a communist for the love of God.

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    Re: Which extreme is more dangerous to America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    The government has a legitimate role in upholding-- and helping shape-- moral and cultural values in the society that it's a part of
    The government should have absolutely no role in shaping cultural or moral values. If you believe in that, go live in communist Cuba. They'll tell you how to think and feel.

    Anyways, you cannot legislate morality.
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    Re: Which extreme is more dangerous to America?

    Quote Originally Posted by G.I. Joe View Post
    Stalin's first move in power was to take property from individual farmers to create a national agriculutural collective. You really think he was in line with the views of the far right? The guy was a communist for the love of God.
    Exactly and not exactly. Stalin...absolutely was a communist, that's why Stalinism = Communism.

    However people often mistake Stalinism/Communism w/ Marxism/Socialism.

    And...yes...it is in lines with the far right. The right-wing and strict Capitalists adhere to a dogma that Businesses should be left to regulate themselves and the economy. What you find under this belief is the "Wal-mart" effect. That is....Large Corporations price goods below market value to drive out the smaller competition. Once they are driven out of business they can gain more business. More business = more profits for the corporation.
    Unrestricted, these businesses will pay as little as they possibly can to the workers. Keep them hungry and they will fight each other to keep working.
    This is the idea I was referring to in saying that exploitation is controlled by a ruling caste. This the opposite of socialism.
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