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Thread: Which extreme is more dangerous to America?

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    Re: Which extreme is more dangerous to America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Extremism is bad. Period.
    That's an extremist take on extremism!

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    Re: Which extreme is more dangerous to America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Who do you see as "far right"?The deficits and debts were caused by increased military spending, which were justified considering that the United States was in the midst of the Cold War.
    Except during Reagan's time the only thing the US lagged behind was in biological and chemical weapons. We had vastly superior nuclear weapons, technology and the means to win a conventional war. The only reason to spend that kind of money was to make the Soviets go broke. In terms of actual defense, it was overkill.

    Stagflation ended under Reagan, it did not continue.
    Except that Reagan's fiscal policy kept it going far longer then necessary. If he had simply let Volcker do his thing, stagflation would ended far sooner. Tossing billions of dollars into the money supply without any corresponding increases in assets and asset values leads to inflation. Volcker had to create an artificial recession to reduce inflation. Had Reagan cut back on the increases to the money supply, Volcker would have either been able to not raise interest rates so high or have stopped the artificial recession much sooner.

    Fiscal conservative, Reagan was not.


    If you are referring to the Iran Contra Affair, the general consensus has been that Reagan didn't know about it, but he should have. Look up the Tower Commission for information on that.
    The notion that Reagan was a blind idiot is something I'll never buy.

    Considering Reagan to be on the right is highly disturbing. Big spending, big deficits, big government and anti-democratic actions across the planet. Huh. Really.
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    Thumbs up Re: Which extreme is more dangerous to America?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Except during Reagan's time the only thing the US lagged behind was in biological and chemical weapons. We had vastly superior nuclear weapons, technology and the means to win a conventional war. The only reason to spend that kind of money was to make the Soviets go broke. In terms of actual defense, it was overkill.



    Except that Reagan's fiscal policy kept it going far longer then necessary. If he had simply let Volcker do his thing, stagflation would ended far sooner. Tossing billions of dollars into the money supply without any corresponding increases in assets and asset values leads to inflation. Volcker had to create an artificial recession to reduce inflation. Had Reagan cut back on the increases to the money supply, Volcker would have either been able to not raise interest rates so high or have stopped the artificial recession much sooner.

    Fiscal conservative, Reagan was not.




    The notion that Reagan was a blind idiot is something I'll never buy.

    Considering Reagan to be on the right is highly disturbing. Big spending, big deficits, big government and anti-democratic actions across the planet. Huh. Really.
    Reagan's military spending was coupled with Congresses increased welfare spending and spending on other social programs like medicare, medicaid, etc. Many of these spending increases were initiated during Reagans second term when democrats had control. Spending on social programs was enormous. Congress, not the President, really has the control over what is spent or not. Even if Reagan had balanced the budget, I would not give him as much credit as the Congress. I give the Congress under Clinton more credit than Clinton himself.

    Read these pages of the book I am about to link you to. Last paragraph of pg. 176 through page 178. It details Reagan spending with specifics, and explains not only Reagan's numbers but the increases in spending from previous presidents.
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    Reagan spent over 1.5 trillion on national defense, but he could pay for it. The spending on social programs is what caused the problem with the budget. Reagan didn't veto the social program spending increases because they included military spending that he wanted as well. He could either veto everything or take everything. Congress often uses this tactic to get what it wants. Considering the circumstances, Reagan couldn't veto what Congress wanted.

    Reagan spent:
    -282 Billion on national defense in 1987
    -31 Billion on agriculture in 1987
    -319 Billion on social programs in 1987

    If you actual look into the reports I gave you, you will realize why it is very possible Reagan knew little or nothing about the Iran Contra Affair.

    You still haven't answered my question. Who do you see as "far right"?

    I recognize you from another site, obvious_child, 4forumsandpolls is the name or something like that.
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    Re: Which extreme is more dangerous to America?

    Well I have not into politics for long but from what I can see the far left have been more for spreading the wealth, for example at one time you could be a alcoholic and be considered disabled. The democrats have always been for helping the little man what about the little man helping himself.

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    Re: Which extreme is more dangerous to America?

    Given the far left is in power or at least more power than the far right so that would make them more dangerous.

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    Re: Which extreme is more dangerous to America?

    Both would presumably be more dangerous, but I would suggest that the extreme elements of one ideology would be more dangerous when an identified ideology is under power. So basically, when the right is in power, the extreme right is most dangerous, and when the left is in power, the extreme left is in power. However, I am seldom worried unlike some
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    Re: Which extreme is more dangerous to America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Both would presumably be more dangerous, but I would suggest that the extreme elements of one ideology would be more dangerous when an identified ideology is under power. So basically, when the right is in power, the extreme right is most dangerous, and when the left is in power, the extreme left is in power. However, I am seldom worried unlike some
    Yea I was just talking this the other to some people.
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    Re: Which extreme is more dangerous to America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Both would presumably be more dangerous, but I would suggest that the extreme elements of one ideology would be more dangerous when an identified ideology is under power. So basically, when the right is in power, the extreme right is most dangerous, and when the left is in power, the extreme left is in power. However, I am seldom worried unlike some
    Interesting theory.

    Perhaps we should require that there be an exactly equal number of right and left leaning politicians in office at any given time?
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    Re: Which extreme is more dangerous to America?

    What would you consider Far Right to be? Anarchism came to mind at first, but it can't be that, can it? I'd prefer if a Republican/Conservative would define it please.
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    Re: Which extreme is more dangerous to America?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    What would you consider Far Right to be? Anarchism came to mind at first, but it can't be that, can it? I'd prefer if a Republican/Conservative would define it please.
    In my mind, [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism"]fascism[/ame] is an example of far right.

    Anarchism is actually the far left, in my mind.
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