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Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing them

Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing them

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Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

BoyKagome said:
James no how could you! Did you just suggest that the congress and senate should work for the people instead of it control the people?
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I am merely suggesting that those in office do their damn job. It doesn't matter if its a democracy or some other system that use elected officials or a group of people who vote to pass bills, it is their job to read what they are they signing for.
 
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pro-bipartisan said:
No one uses "I didn't read it" now, they say things like "I thought it would turn out differently" or some other bs statement,
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Wait, what? I've heard that a bunch of times in the last year or two.

Please don't make me go look them up.

Do a little searching and you'll see a provision like this would be useful for holding legislators responsible for what they do while in office.
 
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TacticalEvilDan said:
Wait, what? I've heard that a bunch of times in the last year or two.

Please don't make me go look them up.

Do a little searching and you'll see a provision like this would be useful for holding legislators responsible for what they do while in office.
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Well I have never heard that in a campaign, if they do say it then it only makes them look stupid so what's your point?
 
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It doesn't matter weather or not we demand them to read the bills or what kind of law we try to get implemented as such a law would never make it past the Congress. Why would they vote in something that would be detrimental to them?
 
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Kal'Stang said:
It doesn't matter weather or not we demand them to read the bills or what kind of law we try to get implemented as such a law would never make it past the Congress. Why would they vote in something that would be detrimental to them?
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Finally someone that has common sense.
 
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pro-bipartisan said:
Finally someone that has common sense.
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As Caine point out the question is not "Will politicians ever pass a law requiring them read the bill before voting for it?" The question is "Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing it?" The key word here is "Should" as in "must or or obliged to to", while "WILL" is referred to as in to decide on or choose. Do you see the difference? Its like asking "Should federal government legalize marijuana for recreational use?" vs "Will the federal government legalize marijuana for recreational use?" One is asking should they and the other is asking will they."Should" and "will" are two different things. In other words the poll question is not asking do you think those in office will ever make a law requiring them to actually read the bills before signing them. So it is not you or the 7 other people who voted no that have common sense,it is the 57 people who voted yes and have some comprehension of what words mean(unless they actually voted no because they do not think politicians should be required by law to actually read the bill,not because they do not think it will ever happen) that have common sense.
 
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jamesrage said:
As Caine point out the question is not "Will politicians ever pass a law requiring them read the bill before voting for it?" The question is "Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing it?" The key word here is "Should" as in "must or or obliged to to", while "WILL" is referred to as in to decide on or choose. Do you see the difference? Its like asking "Should federal government legalize marijuana for recreational use?" vs "Will the federal government legalize marijuana for recreational use?" One is asking should they and the other is asking will they."Should" and "will" are two different things. In other words the poll question is not asking do you think those in office will ever make a law requiring them to actually read the bills before signing them. So it is not you or the 7 other people who voted no that have common sense,it is the 57 people who voted yes and have some comprehension of what words mean(unless they actually voted no because they do not think politicians should be required by law to actually read the bill,not because they do not think it will ever happen) that have common sense.
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Ok, you obviously haven't read my points. I said numerous times I like this idea I just don't think it could be implemented...
 
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pro-bipartisan said:
Ok, you obviously haven't read my points. I said numerous times I like this idea I just don't think it could be implemented...
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Your however voted no. Which suggest either you misread the question.Or you honestly believe that there should be a law requiring politicians to actually read the bills themselves before voting on them.
 
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jamesrage said:
Your however voted no. Which suggest either you misread the question.Or you honestly believe that there should be a law requiring politicians to actually read the bills themselves before voting on them.
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I voted no because I don't think questions should be posed that ask about things that can't be done. It's my way of protesting.
 
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pro-bipartisan said:
I voted no because I don't think questions should be posed that ask about things that can't be done. It's my way of protesting.
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Oh jesus christ.

Children shouldn't be allowed to post here.
 
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Caine said:
Oh jesus christ.

Children shouldn't be allowed to post here.
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I agree, and people that don't have common sense shouldn't post either (a.k.a. all the people that think this plan could work).
 
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BoyKagome said:
It's their job to read a bill and make a decision that is best suited to help the American people while following the constitution. If they have not read the bill, then how can they know if they are making a decision based on their job description? Maybe the more important question is shouldn't a bill in it's final form have a full week to be reviewed before it can be voted on?
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I think it should have a testing phase of 6 months to a year and then a revote on how good or bad it was.
 
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akyron said:
I think it should have a testing phase of 6 months to a year and then a revote on how good or bad it was.
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Do you think they would vote for it the first time?
 
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pro-bipartisan said:
I voted no because I don't think questions should be posed that ask about things that can't be done. It's my way of protesting.
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What you think can or can't be done is subjective. People everyday think things can't be done and they actually happen. You do not actually know if politicians would never pass a law requiring them to read the bill before voting for it.
 
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pro-bipartisan said:
Do you think they would vote for it the first time?
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If enough angry voters emailed,wrote,faxed or called their elected representatives,especially near election time.
 
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jamesrage said:
What you think can or can't be done is subjective. People everyday think things can't be done and they actually happen. You do not actually know if politicians would never pass a law requiring them to read the bill before voting for it.
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True, but people everyday thing things can't be done and they actually don't happen.
 
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jamesrage said:
If enough angry voters emailed,wrote,faxed or called their elected representatives,especially near election time.
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Alls you have to do to win this debate is to prove it. If you're so confident in this happening then do it. Besides, that's a huge if in the statement you made.
 
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pro-bipartisan said:
Alls you have to do to win this debate is to prove it. If you're so confident in this happening then do it. Besides, that's a huge if in the statement you made.
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Gay marriage was actually legalized in a few states. The McCain/Kennedy/Bush amnesty plan failed and with any luck Obama's socialized medicine plan will fail.

Politicians in my state actually listened to voters and passed the Tax payer protection act aka HB1804 the toughest state anti-illegal immigration laws. You make things happen by staying involved such as contacting your elected officials and getting others to do the same. It is when your only involvement in politics is just voting once every four years and nothing else does something become actually impossible instead of a matter of when or if.
 
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jamesrage said:
Gay marriage was actually legalized in a few states. The McCain/Kennedy/Bush amnesty plan failed and with any luck Obama's socialized medicine plan will fail.

Politicians in my state actually listened to voters and passed the Tax payer protection act aka HB1804 the toughest state anti-illegal immigration laws.
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Alls of the examples you named has Congressmen that were for it. Hundreds of Congressmen will be against this. Also, illegal immigration and gay rights are issues people feel very strongly about. You won't find as many people that feel very strong about this issue (even though people should). Interest groups also help, is there any interest group for this issue?
 
Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

pro-bipartisan said:
I agree, and people that don't have common sense shouldn't post either (a.k.a. all the people that think this plan could work).
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Who said they think this plan could work?

You still don't understand the difference between SHOULD and WILL do you?
 
Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

Caine said:
Who said they think this plan could work?

You still don't understand the difference between SHOULD and WILL do you?
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You really aren’t a big reader are you? That’s what this while debate has been about, where’ve you been? Everyone likes this idea but we disagree on whether it could work or not, can you read the thread before posting next time?
 
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*whole not while
 
Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

A slight note about an odd thing or two I saw a while ago, and I probably won't revisit this thread again after this. Libertarians would not necessarily enjoy a crippled legislative branch, as the executive branch has over time quite expanded beyond the legislative branch's expectations. The executive branch had over time sought to expand its usefulness and knowledge in many areas, and thus, grew exponentially, leaving Congress trying to catch up. In order to do so, it created a great many committees, with the intention to be informed and able to do its job to combat the executive.

A slow, inefficient (in this sense, inefficiency in politics) congress, would allow the executive branch to be further seen as the responsive and responsible branch of the American government.

Lastly, should and will distinctions become slightly difficult to maintain once one says "law". Ought congressmen to be informed and responsible for legislation they vote on? Surely. Should we pass a law to make the ought become a measured reality? This is where the idealism stops, and reality comes into play.
 
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Fiddytree said:
Lastly, should and will distinctions become slightly difficult to maintain once one says "law". Ought congressmen to be informed and responsible for legislation they vote on? Surely. Should we pass a law to make the ought become a measured reality? This is where the idealism stops, and reality comes into play.
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Why is it idealistic for people who vote for bills to actually read the bills themselves before actually voting for it?
 
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