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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Quote Originally Posted by a777pilot View Post
    Not really.

    Now define "murder".

    Define "kill".

    The devil is always in the details.
    That is a job for the judiciary branch, not the legislature.

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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    That is a job for the judiciary branch, not the legislature.
    Now that's funny!
    I came into this world fighting, screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I have no problem going out the same way.

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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Absolutely they should. They are hired for a job, and reading the goddamn bull**** they sign into law should be part of that job.

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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Quote Originally Posted by a777pilot View Post
    Not really.

    Now define "murder".

    Define "kill".

    The devil is always in the details.
    Kill: To deprive one of life.

    Murder: The crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought.

    See not that hard. Just check any dictionary.
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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I dunno, politicians have other stuff to do than to read bills.
    It'd kinda leave them no time for other kinds of work.
    What like kissing babies, spewing BS, and accepting bribes from special interests? All of things things are of miniscule importance compared to making sure the laws they are signing are necessary and fair in their entirety.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    No. Unenforceable, unrealistic, and cripples the legislative branch.
    Considering the number of libertarians here, I am guessing that would be one of the major perks to many voters. ((:

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    Everyone who voted "yes" obviously doesn't know how the system works. Try fixing that first.
    The system works? lol

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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Quote Originally Posted by LiveUninhibited View Post
    What like kissing babies, spewing BS, and accepting bribes from special interests? All of things things are of miniscule importance compared to making sure the laws they are signing are necessary and fair in their entirety.
    Amazing how 6 or 7 people seem to be the only ones who do not get that. These bills they write and vote for affect this nation.Not only should the politicians be forced to read these bills they should also understand these bills due to their impact on the country,they should be questioned on these bills and have to explain to the voters on camera why they are voting for,against or abstain from voting for it.

    Considering the number of libertarians here, I am guessing that would be one of the major perks to many voters.
    I think there is a lot of people here besides libertarians who do not see crippling the legislative branch as a bad thing. No politician should be allowed to vote for a bill without first reading it. If that means they spend extra time in office and if that means they do not get pass a lot of other bills which means they have to either prioritize or shorten bills as a result then how can anyone honestly say that a bad thing?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Can people that voted yes answer these questions for me?

    How will it get passed?

    How will it be enforced?

    How will it not take a very long time to read the bills?

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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    Can people that voted yes answer these questions for me?

    How will it get passed?
    1.Call,write,fax and email our elected officials to read bills before signing them and to make law. This is how a lot of laws get passed or fail(like the McCain,Kennedy, Bush amnesty plan)for illegals.

    2sign up with a political action group to make it easier to push the agenda onto our elected officials.

    3.Vote for those who will vote to require politicians to read bills before signing them.

    4.Demonize those who do not support such laws or vote against such laws.



    How will it be enforced?
    1.Ban politicians from using staffers and anyone else to read the bills for them.After all we didn't elect a staffer or aid to do the job.Would you continue to employ a house keeper who used a bum off the street or an illegal to do the job for him?Why not just fire the housekeeper and just hire the bum or illegal at the rate the housekeeper was paying them instead of continuing to employ the same housekeeper?

    2.Allot time based on length of bill,the longer the bill the more time allowed in order to read the bill and increase that time every time adds an amendment. This will ensure that no one can sneak a last minute amendment to a bill.

    4.Require bills be posted online in it's entirety at least 72 hours or more prior(depending on length of bill) before being voting on, if an amendment is added restart the 72 hour waiting period. This will ensure that the public can call,email or fax their elected officials if they find the bill to be messed up.



    5.Require politicians to explain why they voting for,against or take the chicken **** route of abstaining from voting for the bill. This is like having the student write a book report after he read the book so you can make sure he actually read it.





    How will it not take a very long time to read the bills?
    Totally irrelevant. It is their job to read the bills before signing them regardless of the length.These bills effect our nation and tax payers so it is extremely important that they know exactly what they are signing. Would you sign a contract that can have effect on your life for 20 plus years without first reading it? If they do not wish to read encyclopedia size bills then they shouldn't write encyclopedia size bills in the first place and they should demand their colleges write shorter bills.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    1.Call,write,fax and email our elected officials to read bills before signing them and to make law. This is how a lot of laws get passed or fail(like the McCain,Kennedy, Bush amnesty plan)for illegals.

    2sign up with a political action group to make it easier to push the agenda onto our elected officials.

    3.Vote for those who will vote to require politicians to read bills before signing them.

    4.Demonize those who do not support such laws or vote against such laws.





    1.Ban politicians from using staffers and anyone else to read the bills for them.After all we didn't elect a staffer or aid to do the job.Would you continue to employ a house keeper who used a bum off the street or an illegal to do the job for him?Why not just fire the housekeeper and just hire the bum or illegal at the rate the housekeeper was paying them instead of continuing to employ the same housekeeper?

    2.Allot time based on length of bill,the longer the bill the more time allowed in order to read the bill and increase that time every time adds an amendment. This will ensure that no one can sneak a last minute amendment to a bill.

    4.Require bills be posted online in it's entirety at least 72 hours or more prior(depending on length of bill) before being voting on, if an amendment is added restart the 72 hour waiting period. This will ensure that the public can call,email or fax their elected officials if they find the bill to be messed up.



    5.Require politicians to explain why they voting for,against or take the chicken **** route of abstaining from voting for the bill. This is like having the student write a book report after he read the book so you can make sure he actually read it.





    Totally irrelevant. It is their job to read the bills before signing them regardless of the length.These bills effect our nation and tax payers so it is extremely important that they know exactly what they are signing. Would you sign a contract that can have effect on your life for 20 plus years without first reading it? If they do not wish to read encyclopedia size bills then they shouldn't write encyclopedia size bills in the first place and they should demand their colleges write shorter bills.
    Those are good ideas but they aren't going to happen/ won't work. And the time thing is very relevant since there are so many bills and Congress would have even less time to go over them.

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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    Those are good ideas but they aren't going to happen/ won't work
    Never know until you try.Those in office a couple of summers ago thought they were going to pass the McCain/Kennedy/Bush amnesty for illegals but the flood of angry calls and faxes put stop to that.



    And the time thing is very relevant since there are so many bills and Congress would have even less time to go over them.
    The time thing is a totally irrelevant thing because it is their job to know exactly what they are signing for not blindly sign things into law. If they have to miss a few extra bills or worker long then they need to decide which bills are the most important and work on those first.


    Would you blindly sign a contract that can have an effect on you for 20 or years of your life?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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