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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Or we don't LIKE how the system works... ever thought of that?
    Then why don't you fix that first!? Why would you try to implement something when it wouldn't work? You should learn to prioritize. The way the system is it wouldn't work at all.

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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    Everyone who voted "yes" obviously doesn't know how the system works. Try fixing that first.
    And everyone that voted no doesn't know what personal responsibility is?

    If you're hired to do the job, then you do that job. You don't foist it off to someone else and expect to know everything that you need to know when crunch time comes.
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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    And everyone that voted no doesn't know what personal responsibility is?

    If you're hired to do the job, then you do that job. You don't foist it off to someone else and expect to know everything that you need to know when crunch time comes.
    Good try, but no. I voted no (and probably some others to) because even though I like the idea and wishes that it were workable, it's not. The way the system is people wouldn't have the time to do this. Also, how can you enforce it? The only way to enforce it is to waste other people's time too. Another point, how would this get voted in?! Congress certainly wouldn't vote for this. I understand you're point about personal responsibility and agree with it but the only way to enforce responsibility is to vote out people who are irresponsible however the incumbents almost always win (I'm talking Congresspeople, state officials, and local officials) unless the opposite of coattails occurs (which happened this past year's elections because of Bush).

    Once again, I agree with your statement regarding personal responsibility but that doesn't change the fact that the way the system is this idea isn't doable.

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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    Then why don't you fix that first!? Why would you try to implement something when it wouldn't work? You should learn to prioritize. The way the system is it wouldn't work at all.

    Then sir, why don't YOU tell us how the system works then since you are coming off as a know it all snob with these comments.
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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Then sir, why don't YOU tell us how the system works then since you are coming off as a know it all snob with these comments.
    You could look at previous comments or the rest of comment that you quoted but I'll repeat the problems with this idea again.

    1. Congress would never vote this in.
    2. It would take way too much time since there are a large number of bills that are hundreds of pages.
    3. The only ways to enforce this are too time consuming.

    Can people read more of a thread before they comment?

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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Good Lord, Man, NO!

    Next you will be asking if, not only should they read these bills but actually understand them. You must be crazy. What good would that do?
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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    We fully understand how government works,do no insult out intelligence by pretending we do not know how.



    The only who one whose job it is to read the bills are those voting for or against them.





    There is nothing foolish about expecting a politician to do his damn job.






    No they don't.It is no one else's job but the person elected to office to do his job.


    There is always time to read the bill,if they do not feel there is enough time to read the bill then they can say not they will not vote for it until they fully read the bill.




    I am sure garbage men from time to time complain about emptying trashcans in the trash truck and I am sure police men every now and then complain about having to write tickets or being shot at and I know for a fact lots of soldiers complain about work details but they do their jobs as that is what they signed on for when they applied for their job. Some one elected to office is no different. Part of a politcian's job is to read the damn bills which have a impact on this county before signing them. If they do not wish to read the bills themselves then they should quit.





    That is what they are there for, to read the bills before signing them. Those bills impact this country.



    Their job isn't meant to be mentally easy.They are doing things that effect the country.




    Should you who presumes we are idiots who have no idea how the system works ask that we not insinuate that you are a jizzbag?
    I explain once, I get no substance. I explain a second time with even more detail, I get called a jizzbag, I explain a third time with bewilderment, and see, yet again, the same incredibly baseless comments. This is like a blind backseat driver complaining about the driver's performance because he feels some bumps.

    Of course it affects Americans, and of course in some vague terms, this is their job, but until anyone, I repeat, anyone, tries to dramatically alter the inner workings of the entire United States government with hardly any ill effects, I would congratulate them for accomplishing the nearly impossible and consider them a political demi-God.

    Until then, I will flat out say this: the suggestion is such a bad idea, that it nearly floors me to think that after considerable time addressing individual concerns, the same naive statements or insinuations keep coming out: "It's their job", "I elected you", and my personal favorite, "there is no such thing as too much paperwork". The only thing that interested me, in this entire thread, has been the idea of a new writing style, but when I prod for a little more explanation, it's as if the whole discussion ended with "stop the legal language that no one understands". How would we do that? What consequences would result from trying to design a system of language? How long would it take to come up with that system? Would there be any consequences that would follow with legislation in a less wordy, more common language?

    Until there is a lot more substantive discussion, I'm calling it absolutely naive to suggest that we could accomplish this.
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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I explain once, I get no substance. I explain a second time with even more detail, I get called a jizzbag, I explain a third time with bewilderment, and see, yet again, the same incredibly baseless comments. This is like a blind backseat driver complaining about the driver's performance because he feels some bumps.

    Of course it affects Americans, and of course in some vague terms, this is their job, but until anyone, I repeat, anyone, tries to dramatically alter the inner workings of the entire United States government with hardly any ill effects, I would congratulate them for accomplishing the nearly impossible and consider them a political demi-God.

    Until then, I will flat out say this: the suggestion is such a bad idea, that it nearly floors me to think that after considerable time addressing individual concerns, the same naive statements or insinuations keep coming out: "It's their job", "I elected you", and my personal favorite, "there is no such thing as too much paperwork". The only thing that interested me, in this entire thread, has been the idea of a new writing style, but when I prod for a little more explanation, it's as if the whole discussion ended with "stop the legal language that no one understands". How would we do that? What consequences would result from trying to design a system of language? How long would it take to come up with that system? Would there be any consequences that would follow with legislation in a less wordy, more common language?

    Until there is a lot more substantive discussion, I'm calling it absolutely naive to suggest that we could accomplish this.
    Murder bill:

    Do not kill. You kill you get sent to prison.

    First degree first offense - 15 to life, out in 15 for good behavior. Paroled for rest.
    First degree second offense - 25 to life, no parole, whichever is longer. Death Penalty in states that allow it if they want.

    Second degree first offense - 10 to 25, out in 10 for good behavior.
    Second degree second offense - 25 to life, no parole, whichever is shorter.

    Third Degree first offense - 8 to 15, out in 8 for good behavior. Paroled for rest.
    Third Degree second offense - 15 years no parole.

    Manslaughter first offense - 8 years straight, no parole.
    Manslaughter second offense - 15 years, no parole.


    See easy to write a simple, understandable bill. Straight and to the point.
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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Murder bill:

    Do not kill. You kill you get sent to prison.

    First degree first offense - 15 to life, out in 15 for good behavior. Paroled for rest.
    First degree second offense - 25 to life, no parole, whichever is longer. Death Penalty in states that allow it if they want.

    Second degree first offense - 10 to 25, out in 10 for good behavior.
    Second degree second offense - 25 to life, no parole, whichever is shorter.

    Third Degree first offense - 8 to 15, out in 8 for good behavior. Paroled for rest.
    Third Degree second offense - 15 years no parole.

    Manslaughter first offense - 8 years straight, no parole.
    Manslaughter second offense - 15 years, no parole.


    See easy to write a simple, understandable bill. Straight and to the point.
    Not really.

    Now define "murder".

    Define "kill".

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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    They should be forced to attend a class on the bill in question followed by an exam.


    No pass no vote.
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