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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    I don't know what to say, really. I'm practically overwhelmed in trying to figure out a way to say this so people can understand how government actually works, and how it's not some lazy plot by legislators to avoid work, but rather, an almost natural consequence.

    There simply is not enough time to be caught up in all details, all the time. We have members of the legislative government who become experts in particular issues and like anyone who has a best friend that is an expert in something, you move to them for some guidance. This is not the only way, of course, there's meetings with constituents, interest groups, the legislator's own staff, and consulting polling data. Staff are not exactly flakey individuals, but often come in with a strong sense of mission and attempt to serve their boss in the way they believe he should and or actually does.

    You vote for the legislator, but you would be foolish to think the man by himself would be able to carry the weight expected to be dealt with from the office. The legislator needs to delegate authority in order to accomplish goals, but quite often, there simply is not enough time to keep caught up. Legislators often make repeated attempts to read the bills, but complain they have not enough time to do so or to further consider the weight upon them. It's not a pretty thought, but that is what happens, and why political scientists consistently emphasize the problem of limited resources with limited time, and immense pressure when it comes to decision-making.

    Indeed, you may think it more important that your legislator spend time honing his reading skills, and become a masterful writer himself, but the realities of the office also stress from one varied degree to another, being immensely aware of re-election. They are constraints-oriented, and thus, constraints dominate the thought process rather than pure domination. So, indeed he has to meet with constituents, interests groups, and individual lobbyists.

    And a note about pork. It has a bad reputation, but pork is essentially everything that we enjoy as a citizenry. We make calls to our local districts about it all the time, and communities think it is money well spent for the most part. "Porking" is generally a rare entity where indeed pork money, as it is called, is not wisely spent. Nevertheless, one never lost a vote by declaring pork wrong and evil, although all politicians do it, and a large majority of the public demand it at one time or another.

    These things are complicated, and I'd appreciate it if I wouldn't be insinuated for being a "jizzbag" because I gave a bit more thought to my replies.
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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    No it would not be even possible to read tens or hundreds of thousands of pages.
    ow many pages would bills collapse to if all pork were cut out and the bills were written in clear language and not contrived legalese?
    Let's figure it out.

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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    Enforcement should be pretty simple, if not to actually read the bill, then to at least be present while it's read.

    Schedule a reading, require absolute silence in the Hall, and make presence for the entire reading mandatory to vote.

    This is the sort of requirement we place on students, Congress should be able to live up to it.

    People will of course say that such a requirment will never be implimented. It certainly won't.

    Unless we demand it.
    Do you teach 8 year olds? Do you realize that your proposal is ridiculous? Why don't you rearead the paragraph's worth of text that you yourself wrote and then tell me how much it makes sense.
    Let's figure it out.

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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    It's self-enforcing -- no politician will ever again publicly claim that they "didn't know" about something in a bill without there being a direct consequence, and if they refuse to claim ignorance we can hold them responsible for their votes.
    So they say that they did know, or that they needed to make some sacrifices to get the results that they wanted. Politicians lying and being idiots is not new. How do you enforce the actual reading of the bill? I think we should start with a multiple choice or essay question test. If they do not pass, they cannot vote.
    Let's figure it out.

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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I dunno, politicians have other stuff to do than to read bills.
    It'd kinda leave them no time for other kinds of work.
    "Politicians" are not Congressmen. Congressmen are specific types of politicians designed to fulfill a specific role. Such role involves exclusively writing and passing laws. They have no other work that matters.
    Let's figure it out.

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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Not only that, but if it is found that a law or policy is not constitutionally protected and any economic damage is provable coming from it, all voting yea should be held economically culpable with no loss cap.
    Why not just throw all of them in jail? I would be in favor of this just for fun, not related to their specific decisions. Politicians are so culpable. Get them ready for my naked pyramid choreography.
    Let's figure it out.

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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing them? This is pretty much a simple yes or no question.



    I say yes they should they themselves read the bills before signing them,not hire a speed reader and not higher someone else to read the bill. I didn't vote for a speed reader or some staff members to do the job of someone who is supposed to be our employees.



    Personally I also think those who author amendments and bills should be forced to read out loud word for word what they author in front of a tv camera and then explain in front of a tv camera in laymans terms not rat lawyer speak what the bill or amendment does and why we need it. This would cut down on the bills the size of encyclopedias because I am sure no one wants to sit there for several days to read out loud a several hundred or couple thousand page bill.

    Will Congress Read Bills Before Voting? - Political Hotsheet - CBS News


    Let Freedom Ring | News | EDITORIAL: Passing unread laws
    I'm willing to bet that the Bills would no longer be 1000+ pages of assorted Pork,,,and actually written in standard English. Instead of "Legalize".

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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I don't know what to say, really. I'm practically overwhelmed in trying to figure out a way to say this so people can understand how government actually works, and how it's not some lazy plot by legislators to avoid work, but rather, an almost natural consequence.
    We fully understand how government works,do no insult out intelligence by pretending we do not know how.
    There simply is not enough time to be caught up in all details, all the time. We have members of the legislative government who become experts in particular issues and like anyone who has a best friend that is an expert in something, you move to them for some guidance. This is not the only way, of course, there's meetings with constituents, interest groups, the legislator's own staff, and consulting polling data. Staff are not exactly flakey individuals, but often come in with a strong sense of mission and attempt to serve their boss in the way they believe he should and or actually does.

    The only who one whose job it is to read the bills are those voting for or against them.


    You vote for the legislator, but you would be foolish to think the man by himself would be able to carry the weight expected to be dealt with from the office.

    There is nothing foolish about expecting a politician to do his damn job.



    The legislator needs to delegate authority in order to accomplish goals,

    No they don't.It is no one else's job but the person elected to office to do his job.

    but quite often, there simply is not enough time to keep caught up.
    There is always time to read the bill,if they do not feel there is enough time to read the bill then they can say not they will not vote for it until they fully read the bill.


    Legislators often make repeated attempts to read the bills, but complain they have not enough time to do so or to further consider the weight upon them.
    I am sure garbage men from time to time complain about emptying trashcans in the trash truck and I am sure police men every now and then complain about having to write tickets or being shot at and I know for a fact lots of soldiers complain about work details but they do their jobs as that is what they signed on for when they applied for their job. Some one elected to office is no different. Part of a politcian's job is to read the damn bills which have a impact on this county before signing them. If they do not wish to read the bills themselves then they should quit.



    Indeed, you may think it more important that your legislator spend time honing his reading skills, and become a masterful writer himself,
    That is what they are there for, to read the bills before signing them. Those bills impact this country.


    but the realities of the office also stress from one varied degree to another,
    Their job isn't meant to be mentally easy.They are doing things that effect the country.


    These things are complicated, and I'd appreciate it if I wouldn't be insinuated for being a "jizzbag" because I gave a bit more thought to my replies.

    Should you who presumes we are idiots who have no idea how the system works ask that we not insinuate that you are a jizzbag?
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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Everyone who voted "yes" obviously doesn't know how the system works. Try fixing that first.

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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    Everyone who voted "yes" obviously doesn't know how the system works. Try fixing that first.
    Or we don't LIKE how the system works... ever thought of that?

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