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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Thus causing imbalance in the branches, leading to a discouraged and irritated American public seemingly confused with Congressional inability to efficiently legislate and govern.
    There is no imbalance between the branches caused by the legislative branch only doing those things which it is capable of being aware that it is doing.

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    Really, it sounds great, but this is why we have staffers.
    Staffers aren't elected and they're not accountable.

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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    I cannot see that there should be any controversy in that the legislators should be reading the bills.

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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    There is no imbalance between the branches caused by the legislative branch only doing those things which it is capable of being aware that it is doing.



    Staffers aren't elected and they're not accountable.
    Except that by slowing down the process at which Congress can respond (unless one is to figure out a reasonable way to cut down on legal language without all that much sacrifice on addressing complications of the legislation-but as one person said themselves-legislation impacts Americans on a daily basis, right?), then we kind of create an imbalance on the ability for the congress to try to compete with the other branches or government agencies.

    Staffers aren't elected, and their accountability is less in the hands of the public than the congressmen themselves (though there are ways to get around this issue), but the reality is that legislators need aids to provide summarizations, to fight the fight for the elected official, as he/she cannot be present everywhere and anywhere that the government, or the public deem necessary.

    It is indeed good practice that legislators keep informed and be incredibly active in their job, but it is in my view reactionary naivety to resort to a line by line reading of everything that crosses their desks for every single man or woman in that position.
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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Heck yes they should be reading the dang bills. How hard is it to buy off staffers? Even if the staffers don't get bought they can never provide a complete enough summarization of a 1500 page bill. (if they even read the whole thing themselves) Staffers may skip over a pork bill meshed in with the real bill. (accidently or not)

    Our bills should be shortened...big time. A bill should only be about one subject and not a dozen smaller ones mixed in.

    Someone said (I can't recall if it was in this thread or somewhere else ((perhaps in another forum even)) that they should be required to read the whole bill out loud before the whole congress/senate. I agree with that whole heartedly. Not only would that reduce pork barrels but it would also make them shorten the bills to contain only one subject.

    I don't mind the government going a bit slower when it comes to introducing new bills. The only thing that would really require fast action is if another country bombed us or invaded us. And even then there's a bit of time before congress or the senate has to respond as the President can react immediately without their approval for a few months.
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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Thus causing imbalance in the branches, leading to a discouraged and irritated American public seemingly confused with Congressional inability to efficiently legislate and govern.

    Really, it sounds great, but this is why we have staffers.
    I never voted for any staffers nor has any American. It is not the staffer's job to do the politician's job it is the politician who was elected to office to do his or her job.

    No. Unenforceable
    It can be enforceable in the sense that they are given a certain amount of time based on the number of pages of the bill in order to read it before they even debate or sign any other bills and that they have to sign a waiver stating they themselves read the whole entire bill in its entirety.

    unrealistic,
    It is not unrealistic for elected officials to do there job. I do not know about you but I didn't vote for politicians just so they can pass bills without reading them. Why bother electing them if they are not going to do their damn job?

    and cripples the legislative branch.
    If by crippling you mean destroys their ability to sneak in pork and pass legislation without first reading it themselves then I guess you are right.





    Staffers aren't elected, and their accountability is less in the hands of the public than the congressmen themselves (though there are ways to get around this issue), but the reality is that legislators need aids to provide summarizations, to fight the fight for the elected official,as he/she cannot be present everywhere and anywhere that the government, or the public deem necessary.
    No they don't. I didn't vote for the staffer,neither did you.It is the politician's job to read the bill. If I we as voters wanted the staffers to read the bills then we would have elected the staffer to office,not the politician too damn lazy to read the bill.


    It is indeed good practice that legislators keep informed and be incredibly active in their job, but it is in my view reactionary naivety to resort to a line by line reading of everything that crosses their desks for every single man or woman in that position.
    It is the job of the politician to read every dame line in a bill before they sign it. You wouldn't sign a contract without reading it would you?
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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    I see some of the usual suspects don't think a legislator should be accountable for the legislation he legislates, I wonder when the other jizzbags are going to vote NO. Our legislators have more important things to do then worry about mundane tasks such as understanding legislation and knowing any of the details. Some of those more important things could be meeting with union lobbyists, attending union getaways in far off tropical resorts, planning the calendar of important Senate hearings to impune the innocent, receiving campaign contributions in Buddhist temples.
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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    "by law" involves an interesting piece of circular logic.
    Let's figure it out.

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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Thus causing imbalance in the branches, leading to a discouraged and irritated American public seemingly confused with Congressional inability to efficiently legislate and govern.

    Really, it sounds great, but this is why we have staffers.
    Do we really want Congress doing anything? I mean anything? Like, do we really want Congressmen to wake up tomorrow?
    Let's figure it out.

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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Except that by slowing down the process at which Congress can respond (unless one is to figure out a reasonable way to cut down on legal language without all that much sacrifice on addressing complications of the legislation-but as one person said themselves-legislation impacts Americans on a daily basis, right?), then we kind of create an imbalance on the ability for the congress to try to compete with the other branches or government agencies.

    Staffers aren't elected, and their accountability is less in the hands of the public than the congressmen themselves (though there are ways to get around this issue), but the reality is that legislators need aids to provide summarizations, to fight the fight for the elected official, as he/she cannot be present everywhere and anywhere that the government, or the public deem necessary.

    It is indeed good practice that legislators keep informed and be incredibly active in their job, but it is in my view reactionary naivety to resort to a line by line reading of everything that crosses their desks for every single man or woman in that position.
    I'm waiting for you to say something true. Great skills as a writer, though.
    Let's figure it out.

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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

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