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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    They DO ask people "what does this mean" - these people are their committee members and their various self-appointed research teams.
    Are they asking these people for a summary and only reading that or are they still reading the bill themselves? These committee members are not the ones elected to office so it is not their job to read the bill before voting for it.



    Thye DO have it rewritten so people can understand it - this is the job of the Library of Congress - to rewrite the bill-jargon and summarize down into a similar but more simplified document.
    Unless the author of the bill rewrites the actual bill then it is not rewritten. Some peon writing a summery is not the actual bill being rewritten.

    They do these things right now - but is it enough? Obviously NOT. The REAL issue is that they pass things you and I don't agree with.

    If they all came out and said "yeah, we've spent two weeks - including late night sessions - on the floor discussing and reading out loud the Health Care Bill verbatim, we all know what's in it now - and we support it!" - would the act of READING it make any difference to your support or opposition of it?

    If wouldn't, for me - they could all have read the damn thing. My problem is that they PASSED it. They can read it 'til the cows come home - it's what they VALUE and what they SUPPORT (or don't) that really has an effect.
    If it was merely a issue of them passing things I disagree with then I would have not made this topic.
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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Are they asking these people for a summary and only reading that or are they still reading the bill themselves? These committee members are not the ones elected to office so it is not their job to read the bill before voting for it.

    Unless the author of the bill rewrites the actual bill then it is not rewritten. Some peon writing a summery is not the actual bill being rewritten.

    If it was merely a issue of them passing things I disagree with then I would have not made this topic.
    So - if all the politicians who voted for the Health Care Bill or against it actually read it, and voted the same way they did, then you'd be ok with that . . . because reading it is the key issue?
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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    So - if all the politicians who voted for the Health Care Bill or against it actually read it, and voted the same way they did, then you'd be ok with that . . . because reading it is the key issue?
    I could care less what a politician votes yes for just as long as he or she thoroughly read the bill themselves before voting yes for it. Its another thing if they didn't read the bill and voted no, that would be okay.
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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    DownsizeDC.org’s “Read the Bills Act
    I supported this a few years ago.
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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    I vote yes. They should most definitley read them. This would cut down the number of bills drastically, it would prevent political deniability like the vote for the Patriot Act, that many admitted not reading, and it would create accountability to the people, as legislators would have to openly explain why they are calling for such a bill.
    If I read that a politician defended their vote for any bill by stating that they hadn't read it, it would definitely silence me. I would be so flabbergasted that I wouldn't know what to say. Who said this, in response to what, and when? I've heard little rumors from time to time, but I thought they were just that.
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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I dunno, politicians have other stuff to do than to read bills.
    It'd kinda leave them no time for other kinds of work.
    Wait a minute. What work is more important than voting? Oh, wait....camPAIGNING.

    The only reason they're THERE is to pass legislation. However, reading them in total is impractical. First, they're written in such legalese even the Congressmen wouldn't understand them; second, they're so lengthy, that the amount of legislation they'd be able to pass would drop by 2/3. Hey, wait a minute!! There's a real good reason right there.

    I'd assume they get Cliff Note versions from the bills' sponsors. I doubt their staff could do it either. Just too much reading. It'd be nice, but not going to happen.
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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Absolutely.

    ANY politician who signs or votes for a bill he has not carefully studied is an IDIOT.

    So what do you do if you are swamped with thousands of pages and only a few days to make a decision?

    It's SIMPLE! VOTE NO! VETO! ALWAYS!!!!!!!

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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Good to see that in over a year the hopeless idealists are still around.
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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Good to see that in over a year the hopeless idealists are still around.
    What is idealistic about wanting those in office to do their damn job? They are voting for something that is going to have a long term effect on the country so it their job to read the whole bill and to understand what they are voting yes for, not some schmucks whom the tax payers did not elect. Don't give me that b.s. that the bill is a thousand pages and written in legalese, most of them are college education and if they have a problem with the length of the bill or can't understand it then vote no, its that damn simple.
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    Re: Should politicians be required by law to read the bill themselves before signing

    Thank you for saving me the trouble. You almost have it figured out. If only you would connect the dots then the thread can finally die.
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